Wow, record time?

Sorry that I didn't listen live, I am getting more out of AHAW by listening to the edited shows, and it's helping to keep my scouting train moving at a good rate!

PS–

Shawn, I always listen a second time.  But then, I have a long commute! :p

I am listening to the show right now, and Chris made a point that he doesn't believe anything that doesn't have a BSA logo on it…

In regards to the Cubmaster not having a vote on the committee, here is your proof…

http://www.scouting.org/scouts…..pcomm.aspx

This is from the National site…notice that in the Committee's composition doesn't include Cubmaster…Committee Chair, Treasurer, Secretary, etc…

So, to answer the question, since the Cubmaster isn't listed, he doesn't have a vote…nor do Den Leaders or Assistant Den Leaders.

In reality, most committees are made up of DLs and ADLs, along with the CM and ACM(s)…

Post edited 8:03 pm – May 4, 2010 by SM Shawn

Nope…no document needed…it's on your application. Your app states that you can only hold one position, unless you are a CC, then you can be the CC, the COR and the EO. That's it.

Iif your position code either has a DL, ADL, ACM, or CM, then you are not a committee member…per the application

If your code is CC, MC, CO, EO, then you are on the committee…per the application

And your app will get kicked back if you have CM and DL listed on it…the council will call and ask. The same if you have ACM and CC…kickbacked.

No forms, docs or other statements are needed to pin this one down…it is what it says it is. No reason to loophole things…

By the way, there really is no vote…whatever the CC wants, he can just implement…won't keep a lot of folks around, unless he is running a top-notch program and there are no complaints.

If you are not being facetious, then yes.

I was the CC of a pack, and my oldest son's DL [not on paper]…

If you are being facetious, then that's your call…

To be both, well, isn't what the BSA wants, but in all reality, some of us wear multiple hats, some don't. [tongue in cheek]

By the way, the reason that I don't wear more than one hat per unit [PT for pack, SM for troop] is we built a program that doesn't require anyone to HAVE to wear multiple hats…our parents all drank our Kool-Aid, and nobody died.

And taking the tongue out of my cheek, when I say built, it took 5 years to get to where we are all one-hat wearing scouters in our pack and my troop.

"I am the CC of the pack now, I no longer have the time to be both the Den Leader and the CC. We have openings for the Den Leader and the Assistant Den Leader. Here are the applications, I will arrange your training. Uniforms are required, if you can't afford one, then talk to me about the pack helping you out." Anyone who doesn't outright say "won't do it" is your target…take no prisoners…this is your pack

Look for a segment on that in Show 25 or 26…

Miss Emily: 

The whole "Do CM's get a vote" thing bugged me since I couldn't find anything that specifically cited yes/no/maybe, so I wrote my district trainer.  She said, essentially, what Shawn said, but I asked her to find something specific that said whether or not SM's and CM's have votes from BSA.  She said she'd look into it, but int he meantime I C&P her response here:

I shall have to research more and let you know.  I will go through the committeee training material I have to site references. The Scoutmaster and Cubmaster (and assistants) are technically not committee members-they are invited to the meetings to give their reports as to the activity of the unit and that is all.  Remember it is the committee that determines what can and will be done within the unit as far as events, trips, fundraisers etc. Without the committee approval-it isn't done.

She also went on to say that in "the perfect world-haha" the committee would handle all the voting, etc. but as was previously mentioned, most units are not run ideally, and many "committees" are nothing more than names on paper in order to obtain (or maintain) a charter.  Due to our sparsely populated District, most committee members (on a pack level) take on Den Leader duties as well.  We may SAY that our Committee Chairman "assists the Webelos Den" but the reality is, the person who has been our "Webelos Den Leader" has been on leave for over a year, now and the CC is actually doing the job.

When I asked our DT about "multiple positions" and how to handle them, she flat out said, "Put yourself on paper for whichever knot you're working on and do whatever actual duties you have to do to keep the Pack afloat, regardless of who holds the title on paperwork."

I don't recommend that.  I don't endorse that.  But sometimes you gotta do what you gotta do.  So Miss Emily, if you want to take on CC – I'd recommend doing so and "helping" with your den until you can encourage someone else to take the title.  (Which may be forever, but so be it.) 

Scott (I think?) said:

…if you talk to your local park board and explain that their is something your group wants to do but could they please come up with something more age appropriate (tending planters, general trail maintenance, picking up trash, etc.), they'd probably be willing to accomodate.

I do NOT find that to be the case.  I have offered year after year to help out at our local State Forest and I am told year after year that the Cubbies are too young and they will NOT allow youth under the age of 14 to do service there.  Period.  They feel that the types of service that are actually helpful and required are not appropriate, safe, or covered by their liability insurance (no matter the insistence that BSA would cover the boys), so they will not allow it.

As far as Red Cross projects – we did a fundraiser (each kiddo made a piggy bank and all the money we saved for the last half of the year we collected and donated to Red Cross via their BIG RED BUTTON on their website) and since we (the pack leadership) organized and encouraged it, we counted that as our Red Cross project.  YES that was a stretch, but you gotta do what you gotta do and our Red Cross is two hours away.  You could also donate blood via the Red Cross, right?

I mentioned this show to my husband, John, who just got back from Camp Director School. He had lots to say!!! But that's for HIM to share.

As for OUR camp pricing:

Weekend camps (4pm Sat to 4pm Sun) $90 for scout/parent, $15 for additional scout sibling
Webelos Weekend (Fri eve to Sun AM) $170
New District Webelos Weekend (Fri eve to Sun AM) $140
Cub Adventure (Fri eve to Sun AM) $155
Dad & Lad (Fri eve to Sun AM) $120
Day Camp @ Cub Camp (7am-7pm M-Th) $115
North Day Camps (9am-4pm M-Th) $80
Local Park Day Camp (9am-4pm M-F) $110
New district Day Camp (9am-4pm M-F) $115 (some busing available for $30)

They offer a $15 discount if you register before May 1st and they are offering 50% discount AFTER the fact if you come out & volunteer for the weekend/week. But you have to pay the full amount up front.

Rumors have been floating around that they got rid of "camperships."