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An Hour A Week? #227
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10:09 pm
May 31, 2010


Cubmaster Chris

Cedar Park, Texas

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posts 516

#227-Why I Love Her

Tonight, pancake breakfasts, Summer Aquatics Safety, Emergency Preparedness Award, Guide To Safe Scouting, hints for Den Leaders and Den Resources, some news on online training and some great feedback.

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11:26 am
June 1, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

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posts 492

Upon listening to the show, I am onboard with the online specific classes, as everyone will be officially "trained" and up to par on the charter.

Here is the rub for most folks…in person training is soooooooo much better…a screen can't answer your specific questions or give you anecdotes. You can't get ideas, tips or tricks or get out of the house for 5 hours to go hang out with scouters. You are stuck on a computer, clicking "yes", "no" or "next"…not my idea of training, but these are the times that we live in.

What I am doing, as Pack Trainer, is having a training session at our Charter Org. We charter through the Moose Lodge [by the way, great CO for those that may have a local lodge...they are willing to help you earn money if you are looking for other means of income].

I am also a member of the lodge, and with that, I can use the facilities on a first-come, first-served basis. I am going to take an evening, and use the lodge. We have a projector and wireless internet. I plan on bringing our laptops from home, and doing a training night. I will have a couple of "stations" so that any members of our pack committee who haven't finished their training, can do it right there.

Having been a district trainer, I would just use that experience to help with that training session and answer those "in-person only" questions. Hopefully, I can get everyone there to participate, and for those that can't, they better have a damn good reason for not being there…heheh.

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

3:56 pm
June 1, 2010


ScoutingAsWeGo

Vienna, Austria

PTC Wolf

posts 33

If you do a virtual training online, will it count with BSA?  And even if it didn't, I'd love to attend.  Consider those of us in crazy time zones (central european time)!!! 

Kerry

12:22 am
June 2, 2010


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

I just took the online Cubmaster version. I passed! Whoo hoo. I think it is vital for face to face training at the district/council level. My first experince with New Leader Training…sucked. It was all about LISTENING….I so wanted to run out but I was a new Tiger Den Leader. Our district does not do it correctly. However I am hoping it changes. If it does not, then I am going to steer people to other districts to make it happen.

I have two open den leader positions….so they will get the online first just to get it out of the way and then hopefully go to the live version.

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

9:48 am
June 2, 2010


Veretax

Hinton, WV

PTC Bear

posts 68

Post edited 4:09 pm – June 2, 2010 by Veretax


SM Shawn said:

Upon listening to the show, I am onboard with the online specific classes, as everyone will be officially "trained" and up to par on the charter.

Here is the rub for most folks…in person training is soooooooo much better…a screen can't answer your specific questions or give you anecdotes. You can't get ideas, tips or tricks or get out of the house for 5 hours to go hang out with scouters. You are stuck on a computer, clicking "yes", "no" or "next"…not my idea of training, but these are the times that we live in.

There's a solution to this. Turn the myscouting part of scouting.org into a BSA social networking site. I was amazed out how tech savvy our Distict Commissioner was, and honestly, I think if we can encourage these questions to get posted online in some form, you'll find more information flowing, and people from all over the district/council/nation would see these answers and learn to do things the right way.

That's my opinion. The problem is someone has to build that functionality, and I have no idea how the BSA decides what to put on or develop on their websites though. Though I have noticed they've been using ASP.Net for some of the training and information pages (a technology I know I'm familiar with from work.)

The key IMO is encouraging networking and that can be done electronically as well as face to face.

Edit:

Okay let me add some Caveats, as a Computer professional, I can understand how some districts/councils may have some specific rules and such, so I can see a tree based structure Where parts of the site would be confined to a district our council etc. Shouldn't be too hard to do IMO, but the I don't know what the BSA plans for such things, but I see it as a must if training is becoming more centralized.

3:06 pm
June 2, 2010


mbeyke

Carterville, IL.

PTC Bear

posts 56

Just had our Program Preview last night and received a notice that YPT is mandatory for all leaders effective June 1st.  No new leader registration will be accepted with out a YPT card, and no existing leader can be re-registered if YPT is over 2 years old.

God Bless, nMark L. Beyken"Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words!" St. Francis of Assisi

5:41 pm
June 2, 2010


japhmi

PTC Tiger

posts 9

How are some of you doing the online training already? I want a sneak peak too ;)

ScouterAdam – I can tell you which districts that I've heard in the area that do good training, don't know which one you're in. Send me a PM if you don't want to discuss in public which district you weren't happy with.

Cubmaster, Pack 65 – Portland, OR | Committee Chair, Troop 65 – Portland, OR | Campmaster – Camp Meriwether, CPC | Years until I have a child in the program – 2

6:35 pm
June 2, 2010


Veretax

Hinton, WV

PTC Bear

posts 68

Post edited 10:37 pm – June 2, 2010 by Veretax


Some of the training is already online You just need to register on the site: https://myscouting.scouting.org/Pages/eLearning.aspx

Unfortunately some training we are apparently still waiting on. I'm still working my way through some of them. I'm going to tackle the Aquatics stuff this weekend probably :D

12:09 am
June 3, 2010


Scouter Doug

Kenilworth, NJ

PTC Webelos

posts 91

On the subject of the Aquatics training online their is allegedly a feature in IE8 that let's you enjoy passing the test over and over and still no certificate. Otherwise IE7 and Firefox supposedly OK. Nationals web masters appear to beware of this feature and are working on it.

Doug Metz – Scoutmaster – Troop 83 – Kenilworth, NJ http://scoutersjourney.wordpress.com – twitter: dwmetz

12:31 am
June 3, 2010


japhmi

PTC Tiger

posts 9

Some of the training is already online You just need to register on the site: https://myscouting.scouting.org/Pages/eLearning.aspx

Unfortunately some training we are apparently still waiting on

Right, it sounds like people are taking the new Position Specific Training – which isn't on the myscouting site that I can see (I've taken quite a bit of training through eLearning…)

Cubmaster, Pack 65 – Portland, OR | Committee Chair, Troop 65 – Portland, OR | Campmaster – Camp Meriwether, CPC | Years until I have a child in the program – 2

8:43 am
June 3, 2010


bbender

Atlanta

PTC Tiger

posts 20

I think that the on line Cubmaster and Den Leader training that people are taking now on line is the "Fast Start" training, which is actually very very good compared to some of the earlier "Fast Start" trainings.  Last official word on the actual "Cub Scout Leader Position Specific Training" on line version – what you need, in conjunction with "Fast Start", "This is Scouting" plus "Youth Protection Training", to be trained as a Cubmaster, Committee Member, Den Leader and/or Pack Trainer who can do it all except a Campout (for which you'll need BALOO) — was that it would be available June 20 (that was from Webinars of 2-3 weeks ago, but I believe that's also what they still said in Dallas at the National Meetings).

–  The "live" outline for "Cub Scout Leader Position Specific Training" is out there, been issued for a month or so now.

But if you haven't seen the new Fast Starts for Den Leaders and Cubmaster, check it out.  A big improvement.  If I recall correctly, most recently the Fast Starts were glorified powerpoints, and before that there was one that did feature lots of videos of people who worked together just exactly perfectly, and I LOVED those videos . . . not because they were helpful (they made me feel like we were all total failures for not reaching the Nirvana of those videos) but because I would show them at the start of a live training, and then pull out the disc, put it in the case and toss it away, saying basically "OK, isn't that just wonderful and perfect, and I'm sure they have Unicorns and Leprechans at their Pack Meetings too! . . . but the real world isn't perfect, so let's talk about how we make Scouting work here, in the Real World!"

–  These are more "real".  I mean in the "Fast Start" they describe dealing with discipline issues.  Excellent.

Bert Bender
Pack Trainer, Pack 631
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/home

9:07 am
June 3, 2010


Scouter Doug

Kenilworth, NJ

PTC Webelos

posts 91

To the left of the leprechaun's and just past the unicorns is where you find the Unit Commissioner's – at least in our area.

Doug Metz – Scoutmaster – Troop 83 – Kenilworth, NJ http://scoutersjourney.wordpress.com – twitter: dwmetz

11:58 am
June 6, 2010


ArvadaScout

Arvada, CO

PTC Boy Scout

posts 186

Shoot.  I've always taken a right at the leprechaun.  Maybe that's why it's been so hard to find Unit Commissioenrs.

Steve Waltz — Asst. Council Commissioner – Roundtables, Denver Area Council

9:05 am
June 10, 2010


Scouter_Garry

SATX

PTC Boy Scout

posts 106

We always have a half dozen unit commissioners at our roundtables. Many people find themselves tripping over Unit commissioners.

10:04 pm
June 13, 2010


Veretax

Hinton, WV

PTC Bear

posts 68

I'll admit I read over some material on scouting.org, and I still don't know what a Unit Commissioner actually does.

7:07 am
June 16, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

A Unit Commissioner facilitates assistance, should a unit need it.  He or she should be doing regular "wellness checks" to make sure all is well, units are running as they should, leaders are trained, youth are enrolled (and attending), and can also step in if there's a problem to offer a friendly ear or – if asked – advice or guidance.

Basically, your Unit Commissioner is like a mentor and guide to help you through tough spots or to help you celebrate achievements.  He's the 'go to' person for most problems and questions, because if he doesn't know the answer, he'll know how to find it.

There are certain guidelines specifically regarding the safety of Scouts which would require you to contact your District Executive first and foremost, but for less urgent matters, you'd want to contact your UC first and then work your way up the chain if necessary.

Let's say you're having a rough time recruiting leaders.  You've talked to your Chartered Organization Rep and s/he has sort of blown you off and said, "Eh, you're doing fine," or "You'll figure it out."  You're in a panic because you don't have enough registered and trained leaders to recharter.  What can you do?

The best option is to contact your Unit Commissioner.  Depending on what the specific problem is, he may offer encouraging words of assurance, call in training staff, he may suggest certain tools or classes/training you might not know about, or he may even have a trick or two up his sleeve for getting the job done that he has used in his own time in Scouting.  Most likely, he'll sit down with your existing leadership and help you to outline a plan to recruit and/or train new parents and then follow up to ensure things are going smoothly.

Just like every Scoutmaster/Cubmaster is different, so are the Unit Commissioners.  I often hear that units have never even met their UC.  I've heard other units talk about how their UC is always "breathing down their neck."  I'm spoiled.  Our UC has visited us (upon invitation and request) at pack meetings and leadership meetings so he could give us feedback and offer up some helpful suggestions on how we can do better.   He has helped us with fundraisers, service projects, and he's given us some good advice.  Any time I've had a question I needed answered, or just needed a friendly shoulder to cry on when I felt overwhelmed or stressed out, our UC has been willing and ready to help in any way he could.

I know not everyone has it as lucky as I do, but you won't know until you ask.  Most Unit Commissioners in our area won't step in unless the situation is dire or unless they are invited – so invite your UC! Even if things are going great, have your UC over for a visit to get to know the leadership and the youth. 

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

8:11 am
June 16, 2010


Scouter Doug

Kenilworth, NJ

PTC Webelos

posts 91

It sounds like UC's are exactly what our Pack needed as far as guidance and assistance. I specifically requested that we have one assigned (requested 2x ea to 2 consecutive DE's) and was blown off all times. Then someone in the lower echelon of the district powers that be wanted to ream me for going directly to my DE all the time (3 or 4 times a year?) – meanwhile the DE never indicated my approaching him was a problem and if i were ever told "For that you need to speak to so and so…" I gladly would have.

Doug Metz – Scoutmaster – Troop 83 – Kenilworth, NJ http://scoutersjourney.wordpress.com – twitter: dwmetz

9:29 am
June 16, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

Ream….huh, not a good word, and definetly something that shouldn't be used in the scouting program…

We are volunteers, not those who need to take abuse…no volunteer, no matter what their position, should ever "ream" another volunteer.

With having a whole slew of issues with different volunteers that "outranked" me, I realized a couple of things…

They have no right to do that

They are uneducated

They have only personal agendas

Now, with that said…the UC can be the lynchpin to a bad or good program, and that is all dependent on who the UC is. In Liberty's case, she has a great one, although I remember some conversations a loooooong time ago where she didn't. It sounds like Doug doesn't have one.

So, down to brass tacks…I don't have a UC for my troop, and Sonia doesn't have one for the pack. Our commish staff  imploded over the course of the last 18 months. For those that know the story, it started with an ill-advised meeting with the District Commissioner, 2 DEs and the ADC….for those who don't, read my blog, or listen to the old shows.

Our district commish staff went from 30 to 12 in that time, and only one ADC didn't resign. The District Commish resigned, and a new DC has been found. We will see what the future holds in regards to that…rumor has it, some of the old UC's maybe coming back.

OK, so after my mini-rant, find out who your UC is…call the council office to see who the District Commish is, or attend the District Committee meeting…call your DE and find out where the UCs meet monthly, or at least, get a name and make the calls. What's the worst that can happen? You get hung up on? At best, you get one name, to make one call, that can forever change the way the scouting program works for you…it did for me…thanks for taking my call, Keith…

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

9:29 am
June 16, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

I feel your pain, Doug.  When I first started I didn't know we weren't s'posed to go directly to the DE – and our DE was always very easy going and friendly so I never thought it would be a problem. (Really? It's not, it's just that it takes the workload off of the DE and spreads it among volunteers. The DE gets paid to deal with all levels of stuff from big to little.)  When I finally realized we were supposed to hit the UC first, I eagerly asked who our UC was…

… and was told….

"Uhh…? Oh.  Well…"

Thankfully, we did get a UC very shortly after that.  I think the problem is getting volunteers willing to do the job and get trained.  Sound familiar? :)

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

10:14 pm
June 18, 2010


Veretax

Hinton, WV

PTC Bear

posts 68

Thanks for the insight on UCs. Do units have to have someone in that position to recharter? Or is it a district appointed position?


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