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3:33 pm
August 7, 2011


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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Ok I need to vent and get some advice….

Three months ago as a committee we set the date for our annual planning meeting. Every week I sent reminder emails hoping that people would plan to be there. I made an event on our facebook wall, put it on the pack calender we have on the pack website, and 3 days befor I sent a reminder text.  I did have 1 parent let me know early that she would not be able to be there. My wolf/bear den leader let me know3 days befor hand that she would not be there. (she helped plan this date). My Mom is the Cubmaster and Hubby is the Webelos leader. The 3 of us were thr ONLY ones that showed up for this meeting. So I an hert and disapointed that none of the parents even bothered.

So what would you all recamend? My thoughts are that I make the plan and eveyone can just live with it.

Thoughts, comments, ideas?????

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

6:21 pm
August 7, 2011


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

Please take this with the best of intentions…

The parents and other leaders in the pack don't see why they should…

You are the CC, your mom is the Cubmaster and your hubby is the Webelos leader. The way that I see it, the other parents may feel that:

1. It's not their pack, it's the Noble's pack
2. Your family holds the highest positions in the pack
3. You don't have a vested interest in the pack, so why are you there? (you don't have any kids)

If your heart desires, stay with it, plan the year, and let the cards fall where they may. I, personally, would resign and let the rest of the pack deal with it. The parents don't seem to care. Walking away, quitting, taking your ball and going home…either phrase, it's a stark reality that the families of your pack don't have any interest in the planning of the year's events, and are more than happy for you, your husband and your mom to do it…and I would also guess that there are a lot of complaints about what you plan. We have run across it with our pack that the ones who complain the most, never show to planning meetings.

Thinking outloud, where is the secretary? Where is the treasurer? The advancement chair? Tiger leader? Are there assistant den leaders that could be there?

If you have a very small pack, then there shouldn't be a lot of leaders there. You have one person doing a dual job (Wolf/Bear leader). Not knowing the size of your pack would affect my answers, but not in as much as you would think.

The perception is there…our pack suffered from it. The CC and CM were husband & wife…low turnout to meetings, low attendance to outings and events, and no input into yearly planning.

Once that couple left, our leadership doubled, our pack flourished and we now have 2 leaders per den, and a full committee. I am not saying that you are bad people…on the contrary, you are good people, but the perception is there.

*side note, the couple that was in our pack was a cancer…they did it their way, and everything was their way or the highway…that was another reason for the low turnout.

In a nutshell, either plan it and deal with the fallout, or resign and let the pack deal with the fallout.

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Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

7:19 pm
August 7, 2011


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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Shawn,

I totally see where your coming from. Thank you for all your help. I see how it looks that it is our pack but that is one of the things that we were going to open up positions and try to fill them.(Mom wants to retire but not without someone to step in) That said we go out of our way to make it known that it is their pack. Several things have or have not happened because I have stepped back and let others do it.

Our pack is 8 boys. As for the other positions that you mentioned we were going to elect people to those places but that didn't happen so…. it is was it is

There is part of me that wonders if I didn't convey the importance of this meeting….I don't know….maybe I should try this again from a different place?! 

Food for thought.

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

7:26 pm
August 7, 2011


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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this is why I wanted to post this is because I don't always see things. Thanks for your post.

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

8:10 pm
August 7, 2011


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

You have to have faith…walk away and let the little pack of 8 deal with their own issues. We have a ratio of 3 scouts to 1 adult leader…we have 48 scouts, so we have 16 leaders…you have 8 scouts, and 3 leaders for sure, that are your family.

Assign a task and let it happen. If that person falls flat, then so be it. They will have to learn. If your mom is trying to retire, then let her. If nobody steps up, then, once again, so be it…you have to trust that someone is going to try to do what you, Colby or your mom does, and take over.

Walk away…If the pack folds, it wasn't through anything that you didn't do. If it succeeds, it's only because you found and trained a great replacement.

How I feel about it, is…well, you're shoveling water upstream with a pitchfork. Your frustrations grow more and more from what I can see.

Those are my thoughts.

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

8:42 pm
August 7, 2011


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

Nancy, I feel your pain.  To the nth degree.  Seriously.

 

One of the things that frustrates me is the attitude of, "Eh, do whatever you want, we'll just go along with it."  Especially since folks *DON'T* just go with it, they get angry and quietly mumble and grumble when things aren't going their way.  SPEAK UP, yo!

One of the things I found worked was to have a "parent meeting" – where *every parent* was told to come to the mandatory meeting.  We had a brief (oh… 15 minute or so?) overview of what's expected of parents in helping their Cub Scouts with the program and what's expected from the parents to run the pack.  Then we just dove right into the annual planning.  They were sorta blind sided and didn't realize until about 20 minutes in that they were part of a committee type meeting.  Honestly?  Some people left right about that point. Some people just truly don't care.  However, some people who previously hadn't been involved *got involved*.  It helped to have our Unit Commissioner there to sorta reign me in when I was taking too much charge, too, so that OTHER people would step in.

As Shawn said, if they don't feel they own the pack, they won't invest in it.  If they feel someone else is going to do for them, they won't bother to learn to do for themselves.  It's the same thing as tying your kiddo's shoes.  If they aren't forced to do it themselves, to struggle through successes and failures, they'll just keep letting you tie their shoes, yeah?

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

8:13 am
August 8, 2011


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 596

I've learned that you will hardly ever get a non-leader parent to show up for the Annual Program Planning meeting. Since we plan out the whole year, we do get up to 50% of our leaders to attend which is about as good as can be expected when you have around 30 leaders on the books.

We do our planning meeting in the end of June. At our June pack meeting at the beginning of the month, we do surveys. One for the parents and one for the boys. We ask the parents to rate every event on a number scale of 1 – 5 (EPIC FAIL!, Fail, meh, Win, EPIC WIN!) and also ask them what events they'd like to see over the next year. The boys we just ask what their favorite and least favorite events were and what they'd like to do next year. Then we use those results to help with planning.

We've actually had some grief in that our Cubmaster the last two years has been a no show to the Annual Program Planning meeting. As CC I gave him multiple opportunities to both attend the meeting and to give me feedback and his ideas both up front and after the fact (we approve the schedule at July's leader meeting). But he gave none and then complained later in the year that he wasn't involved, to which I replied, "Sucks to be you then, you should have given input when you had the opportunity or showed up to the meeting."

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10:16 am
August 9, 2011


darthcooley

Cincinnati, Oh

PTC Tiger

posts 17

I am really affaird of next years Planing Meeting this year we only had 5 attend & more than half will be gone as thier sons cross over to Boy Scouts. So this year we have to find new ways to get new parents to step up. If we find anything that works I will pass it on.

Mike Cooley

Cub Master Pack 464

US Grant

Batavia Ohio

7:25 am
August 14, 2011


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

OH…

 

AND…

 

As Adam has proven through his committee meetings – food brings people in.

 

A potluck (or in my case a BBQ) brought people to leader meetings who might otherwise not have joined in.  We kept it low key, casual, and fun and people were willing to come socialize for an evening.  We just happened to get work done as a side thing, too.

 

AND…

 

Find out what is keeping people from coming.  Sometimes it's a lack of daycare.  If Mom is the only one who can attend a meeting, let's say, and she's got a toddler, too, she won't come.  No one wants to try to wrestle a meeting while also wrestling a toddler.  Sometimes having a couple of parents (or teenagers) to wrangle younger siblings or even the Scouts themselves while the adults are doing their thing helps. 

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams


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