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12:24 am January 17, 2011
| Cubmaster Chris
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A listener asked a great question: "Any advice for recruiting new blood into leadership roles? Tons of boys, but low parent turnout."
What do you suggest?
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6:28 pm January 17, 2011
| n.s.schindler@gmail.com
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I'm just a new Cubmaster and new to Cub Scouts, but I have just been applying the "lead by example" philosophy developed through scouting. Last year, the Cubmaster was running the entire show. This year, we have new leaders stepping up all the time.
The biggest thing is to provide an example of leadership and show your potential leaders that it's not difficult. Making it looks easy means that you have to put in the extra effort and be prepared, but in the long run, it should pay off.
The second thing is to provide a fun program for the boys and include the parents so that they believe stepping up is meaningful.
The third thing is to ask. It is important to keep letting the parents know that this is all volunteer and the more volunteers, the better the program will be for their boys.
By the way, the new Pack and Den meeting resource guides are a big help. It makes putting together a fun program so much easier.
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11:39 pm January 17, 2011
| ScouterAdam
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From one Cubmaster to another: Congrats and welcome to the Club! Sounds like you leaped right in!
I am in my second year as CM and love the Resource Guides too. It helps me formulate plans. While I might not use everything in them, I use them. I should be in till 2013 Feb/Mar timeframe.
Glad you have found PTCMEDIA. YIS
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Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/
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5:32 pm January 18, 2011
| bbender
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Ask folks to take on small tasks they can succeed at (know them, and know what they can do).
Praise them in public when they "get 'er done".
Often the son will be the one who recruits them to take on bigger roles!
And, as someone who was in the vortex of "getting it all done" (and had to disengage through a 2 year military-like program to shed the MJOKAC, or "Many Jobs Once Known As Cubmaster", onto many people), never, ever, miss a chance to let someone take on a task!
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Bert Bender
Pack Trainer, Pack 631
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/home
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3:28 pm January 20, 2011
| Arlen
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Biggest thing I have noticed is that a blanket invitation to a big group of parents saying you need help doesn't work. No one knows what the job titles mean or how much work is involved. It is too easy for the parents to sit back in the chair and not respond at all.
What seems to work the best for me is to target a particular person (or two at the most) and sit down outside of a meeting to discuss the job. They then understand what they would be undertaking and what resources are available to help them. That last part is key. Show them that they aren't reinventing the wheel. This year was the first time we had the Den and Pack Resource Guide to hand out the the new leaders, but there are 4-5 years worth of files, schedules, go-see-it ideas, and handouts that we give to each new Tiger Den Leader. Knowing there is help available if they need it goes a long way toward getting agreement.
Talk to them outside of a meeting, so they aren't trying to keep track of little Billy and can really listen to what you are asking them to do. If you take time to talk to them individually, they know you think the job is important and that you think they would do a good job. That's always good for their ego!
Also, I second the idea of starting small. Ask if they would help flip burgers at the Tiger picnic. Ask if they would help on the advance party for the camping trip. I haven't had anyone say no to a one day commitment yet. Once they do the small task, you recognize them in a Pack meeting for helping, then up the ante with the next request. If you are recruiting for a bigger task, invite them to "co-chair" the postion with someone else. Then set up another meeting with the two of them together.
Recruiting help takes a while this way, but it works. The Den Leader and Committee positions are a bigger commitment, but if the smaller tasks are off loaded on other parents the job is a lot easier.
Best advice I was given when I took over as Cubmaster is: "Don't do ANY job you can get someone else to do." It may be easier to do it yourself the one time, but in the long run you missed out on a chance to get someone new involved. I love the MJOKAC acronym!
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7:01 pm January 22, 2011
| bbender
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Excellent points, Arlen.
One other I've noticed is that when you get a Parent involved, and especially when as Den Leader or Cubmaster you praise/reward/award them for what they did, you have an automatic new recruiter deployed:
The Parent's Son.
Many times they are the one who will "bring 'em back" to do more, because they LOVE to see their parents involved.
Like Bill Smith wrote many times: "the greatest gift you can give a Cub Scout . . . get his parents involved!"
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Bert Bender
Pack Trainer, Pack 631
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/home
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8:43 am January 24, 2011
| AmyS
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Miss Liberty did a great post on this a while back:
http://www.ptcmedia.net/forum/…..mp;ret=all
I've found a replacement for 1 of my 3 pack-level positions. 2 to go before April. :D
Now, if we just had a committee chair, we'd be set.
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5:51 am February 4, 2011
| CMTom106
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I know this answer is late but I wanted to share this anyway.
My Unit Commissioner gave me this idea and my Charter Rep and I have developed it to make the biggest impact.
The idea is to make it blatently obvious that there is a lot to do and everyone should take a part.
We use two basketballs and a bunch of tennis balls, equal amounts of two two different colors.
Each ball is marked with a role. One basketball is marked "Family" for the Cubmaster's Family life. The other is marked "Work" for the Cubmaster's livelihood.
One color of the tennis balls are for management/leadership roles in the pack. Cubmaster, Tiger DL, Wolf DL, Bear DL, Webelos I DL, Webelos II DL, Treasurer, Secretary, Committee Chair, etc.
The other color of tennis balls are marked for the fun aspect of scouting, Pinewood Derby Chair, Blue and Gold Coordinator, Camping Coordinator, Outdoor Activities Chair, etc.
I explain the three levels first, Basketballs are the most important personally, then the management color tennis balls are next most important to operate the pack and the "fun stuff" balls fall behind in importance.
My Charter Rep joins me on stage at the roundup and we do the routine.
He tosses me one basketball, then the other, the two most important parts of my life.
The Cubmaster ball is next, I tell everyone, "This ball is MY job in the pack".
From there it starts to get ugly. All the management balls are tossed to me and because I HAVE TO hold up the two basketballs and the Cubmaster ball, I quickly begin to miss some. Whatever balls I DO end up holding on to makes it absolutely impossible for me to even bother attempting the "Fun Stuff" balls. I explain that no one should have more than three balls, Family, Work and a single role in the pack. The more balls you try and juggle, the more likely you will drop one. Dropping just one ball ONE TIME can badly effect the pack and the boys and it is inevitable that holding too many balls will cause you drop one. Every adult should have one of the balls so they are not likely to be dropped and effect the boys.
We draft adults by holding a tennis ball up, calling out what the role is and asking who wants it. The ball is tossed to whoever volunteers. If no one volunteers, I encourage them by saying, "remember, in order for the fun stuff to happen, EVERY ONE of these balls has to be taken."
We have not yet gone to extreme of saying we will not have a den without it's own DL but we are seriously considering it. The logic supports it because it is almost certain that a den without it's own DL will be nothing but bad for the boys.
Anyway, it works pretty well and gets the adults drawn in to the action of the meeting in a slightly more fun way.
Tom
Cubmaster, Pack 106
Greenacres, Florida
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10:36 am February 4, 2011
| bbender
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I love this "juggling" idea to demonstrate how the jobs have to be shared, and definately will add that to my "Pack Leadership Team Training" live training presentation – where I supplement the official training with information about "Pack Helper" roles (things that might be done by Committee folk, but not necessarily). It actually would be a good visual for on line training too.
In that live training, I use a PowerPoint slide that I call the "Vortex Image of 'Do It All' Doom" (using the stock "radial" diagram in PPT) and I add like 30 arms to it so that it looks like a bicycle wheel, with so many spokes (representing the cubs and families) and the poor Cubmaster or Chair in the center. You do not want to be in that Vortex of Do it All Doom. The slide notes that " Being the one who does everything is not fun" and "Don't try to do it all".
The next slide says "Get Help" and "Share the Jobs" and shows a similar diagram, but with those "Pack Helper" support jobs pushed out as Satellites (like Membership, Applications, Recharter; Advancement, Badge Buys, Ceremonies, Records; Communications, Newsletter, Website; Meeting Programs; Special Events, Banquet, Derby; Activities, Camping, Hikes; Service Projects, FOS).
And we actually do say that we will not have a den without its own Den Leader (more often the issue arises when initial signups go beyond 10 at a level, but we only have one DL volunteer). One of our FAQs addresses this: "if there are not enough Den Leaders and Assistants, it might be necessary to “turn away” Scouts, based on an inverse volunteering scale (the less a Parent has volunteered to help, the less likely the Scout will have a space in a Den – for example, if 14 third graders want to be in Scouts, but only 1 Den Leader steps up, that Den Leader can set a limit, maybe 10, and the 4 Scouts whose parents have the least volunteer commitment will not be able to participate, because we cannot ask the willing Den Leader to have a Den that is too large to function)." Yeah, harsh, but not as harsh as what happens when the DL with 14 quits, and then you have 0 participating. We've never actually turned anyone away, but have used that as a tool to generate the necessary additional Den Leader, supported by our "Every Parent Leads" policy found at http://atlanta631.mypack.us/aboutus, which requires Parental attendance in a meaningful leadership role at two Den Meetings, plus taking on some Pack role (can be event support). Normally what happens is several folks will volunteer to "help", and then once they see that there are 4 or 5 "helpers" one of them takes the plunge.
Your mileage may vary, and, yeah, we don't really get 100% participation on the "Every Parent Leads" rule, but it is a talking point for the Chair as he or she recruits and a tool for Den Leaders as they reach into the parent pool for help.
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Bert Bender
Pack Trainer, Pack 631
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/home
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