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Registration for Webinar for Cub Scouts 2010

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2:59 pm
May 6, 2010


ScoutingAsWeGo

Vienna, Austria

PTC Wolf

posts 33

Post edited 7:01 pm – May 6, 2010 by ScoutingAsWeGo


I'm trying to register for BSA's webinar and I'm not entirely sure how to find this information that they require on the registration webpage:

Council name – I have this

Council number – found this

Headquarter city – ?????

Region – ???

Area – ???

Is there an easy place to go to find this info or do I need to call my council? 

ETA:  I'm in the Transatlantic council overseas.  Here's the link to our website. 

http://www.tac-bsa.org/Welcome.html

Kerry

Kerry

5:46 pm
May 6, 2010


ScoutingAsWeGo

Vienna, Austria

PTC Wolf

posts 33

Figured it out. 

Is anyone participating in one of these webinars?  I'd love to discuss afterward.  I registered for next Wednesday.

Kerry

3:23 am
May 7, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

I participated in one of the Webinars, but I wasn't dually impressed.  The content was well presented, but it felt more like a recording than a live, interactive thing.   I'm spoiled by PTC Media?

I didn't know they were doing more than the one I attended.  Where did you find the information about it, Kerry? (If you don't mind posting the link!)

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

9:03 am
May 7, 2010


Scouter Doug

Kenilworth, NJ

PTC Webelos

posts 91

About the webinars: http://usssp.blogspot.com/2010…..couts.html

Where to register: https://www.kintera.org/AutoGen/Register/ECReg.asp?ievent=423114&en=6eJFLLPkG4LAITNzE8LALRPtGgKVIYPrH8IJLVNwFaKCJQOAJsE

If you're interested I'd hurry – they've got limited spots and they seem to be filling quickly. Many of the sessions are sold out but as of now there are still openings for May 12, 13, 14

Doug Metz – Scoutmaster – Troop 83 – Kenilworth, NJ http://scoutersjourney.wordpress.com – twitter: dwmetz

9:44 am
May 7, 2010


ScoutingAsWeGo

Vienna, Austria

PTC Wolf

posts 33

The link that Scouter Doug gave is the one I used. 

Kerry

10:04 am
May 7, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

Thanks Doug & Kerry. :)

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

5:00 pm
May 7, 2010


bbender

Atlanta

PTC Tiger

posts 20

Just got off a webinar, and, yeah, it's comprehensive and informative but unlike PTC, it doesn't put the Funmeter into the Red Zone.

I'm gonna send the National speakers a note, since they were perpetuating the now no-longer-the-deal concept that You Must Do The Den Meetings In Numerical Sequence, since that's actually not true and can create stress on Den Leaders: you can order them in what sequence you like, you just have to be sure that in doing that you get it done and earn the rank — and re-ordering is a GREAT idea where it means you get a guest presenter or field trip on a topic because it fits the guest's schedule.  What's also not true is that every "Numbered" Den Meeting must be done before Supplementals, because — especially for Bears and Webelos — you can swap in plenty of other Meeting Plans that fit yer "sweet spot of fun", just as long as it fits the rank requirements (e.g., Webelos can't toss Fitness for Athlete, just because it is less fun).

As to sessions and how long they'll run them, I think the website or announcement said they would extend if demand warranted, so . . . sign up!

As to what "area" of what "region" you're in, man, I'da thunk that if ya entered yer Council, the National Computer would figger it out (oops, it's the computer that runs the forums at MyScouting!), but maybe this Wikipedia link will work (scroll to Regions and Areas, and it has some links).

Bert Bender
Pack Trainer, Pack 631
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/home

3:18 pm
May 10, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

Very good info, Bert. 

It's good to clarify all this with the new changes since it really does seem like the new program is as flexible as one needs it to be.  It's not as though one has to follow the program to the letter (or, well, den meeting number *wink*), it just seems like a great roadmap to get to where a den is going with fun side trips and stops along the way!

And yeah, while some things are still hard and fast (rank requirement wise) it's definitely a comfort to know that as long as it all gets done, order doesn't matter. 

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

12:42 pm
May 13, 2010


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 596

Should note that as of about an hour ago when I tried to register every webinar was listed as full.

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator

3:46 pm
May 13, 2010


ScoutingAsWeGo

Vienna, Austria

PTC Wolf

posts 33

Check again, Scott.

I blew it and forgot about my webinar last night.  Oooooops!  We were up late watching a movie and I have the time difference to think about and I totally forgot. 

I just went to the site and there were still some time slots open for next Wednesday.  I reregistered for next week and it went through for me.  Check it out!

Kerry

6:13 am
May 14, 2010


Scouter Warren

NC

PTC Wolf

posts 34

I was in the webinar last night. I agree that it missed the 'fun' factor, but then again it was a webinar. I think that this is a great way to reach out to many people on their schedules. We all have busy schedules these days and it can be tough to fit it a 'live' training. For something like the Cub Scouts 2010 program, I think it makes sense to push the information out to as many people as possible. The on-line concept wouldn't work well for all training but I think it will play a major role getting the 'right' information out to the boots on the ground. For much of the training I have experience through our district/council, answers were not always known or there were discrepancies. At least with it coming from national, we can assume that it is correct.

Warren — Assistant Cubmaster

7:04 pm
May 16, 2010


ArvadaScout

Arvada, CO

PTC Boy Scout

posts 186

Out of curiosity, how did people hear about the webinars?  If I hadn't seen the info here (or at usssp), I wouldn't have known about them.

Steve Waltz — Asst. Council Commissioner – Roundtables, Denver Area Council

7:58 am
May 18, 2010


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

I would like to schedule one for myself, but the times of day just do not work for me. If they had some at night or on the weekends that would be great. (Have not looked lately to see if there is a change) It would be good to have one of them posted on youtube after awhile so anyone can see them.

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

5:16 pm
May 20, 2010


bbender

Atlanta

PTC Tiger

posts 20

For those who missed the Webinars, the Apple Valley District of the Grand Columbia Council (State of Washington), posted one at http://www.applevalleybsa.org/…..scout.html.  Took a few times to get the full thing to run, but it finally took.

Again, not as fun as PTC shows, but then this is Official. Though I will note that the "please mute your phone" rant at 69:15+ scared me!.  All it all, it covered the items well.

But . . . a few notes about a couple of things said there that one should take with a grain of salt ('cause tain't necessarily so . . . ):

1) Once again, there were comments made about the sequence of meetings (e.g., at 27:30 "very important that you do these in the order that they are laid into the Book"), but the support for that idea is just the concept "that Rank Advancement can be mastered by the Blue & Gold Banquet".

– So . . . that doesn't mean ya gotta do 2 then 3 then 4 in exact order through 12 or whatever (except only if you have a "part one" and "part two" meeting).

– It just means that ya gotta cover ALL of 1 through 12 (or wherever the Rank is earned), even if that order is 1 then 5 then 7 then 6, etc.

– Why "deviate"?  Well, as noted above, a GREAT reason is if you can get another parent to come in and help lead a meeting in an area of their interest! While it is more simple to "do it in order" so ya don't forget and miss something, it is also more simple (and may be more Fun) if you do a topic with a "Guest Leader Du Jour" assistant who knows more about the topic (Nature, First Aid, Whatever) than you do!

I think this "do it in order" mantra is just part of the training "muscle memory" or something after the "Fast Tracks" Pilots, which made ya swear on Baden Powell's grave or something to do the meetings exactly as written and in exact order, but . . . that isn't necessary any more, and in Bear and Webelo, you can swap out with "extra" post-rank and/or Supplemental Meetings as ya like (just be sure you covered the rank) . . . and I'll stand on top of Baden Powell's Patrol Box and say you can do it that way if you want!

2) Oddly, there are repeated suggestions that if you think you need to "cut out" something to save time on a Den Meeting day, you ought to cut out any "Gathering" activity (in some of the references, that comment was followed by "because it is better to drop a 'gathering' than the 'opening', because the 'opening' is very important").

– Dunno why that is suggested, since it doesn't really save time, as any "gathering" activity is for the "T Minus 15 Minutes . . . 10 minutes . . . 5 minutes" time frame BEFORE the meeting starts.

– Even if you start your meeting right on time, it's not like everyone is going to arrive just 30 seconds before start time unless you have Robotic Scouts and Parents, so . . . ya better get 'em something to do!

Also: good news: they're gonna take the "template" for the Den Planning Email/Letter, and put it up also in "word", so ya can copy & edit freely.

Bert Bender

Pack and District Trainer

South Fulton District, Atlanta Area Council 

http://atlanta631.mypack.us/node/1005

Bert Bender
Pack Trainer, Pack 631
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/home

11:02 am
May 23, 2010


ArvadaScout

Arvada, CO

PTC Boy Scout

posts 186

First, let me state that I am extremely excited about the new delivery method.  I think this will be a very useful tool, should make the lives of our den leaders much easier, and hopefully lead to higher retention.  Initially, it appears that National finally got one right.

Now, let me state that I was disappointed in my webinar.  Most of the time, it seemed to be a simple reading of the bullet points from the slides and there wasn't too much additional information included.  We were told to hold our questions until the end (not a problem), but then the Q&A was cut short because someone wouldn't mute their phone.  Since all questions had to be submitted online, it seems like the presenters could have simply remained in 'broadcast mode' and then we wouldn't have heard the background noise.

Like Bert, I was confused about the comments to drop the gathering activity if your meetings are too long.  Since the gathering activity does not contribute to the overall length of the meeting, these comments make me wonder if either of the presenters had ever attended a den meeting.

Again, like Bert, I was confused about the statements that you should follow the meeting plans in the order that they are written.  It was stated that each meeting built upon the previous one, and, after looking at the meeting plans, I understand that.  Following the plan will result in everyone being ready for rank advancement at the Blue and Gold.  Here's where I got confused…  Later, they discussed how the plan would work with LDS units (where boys join/advance on their birthday) and stated that the boy would just start in the middle of the sequence.  What if the boy joins in April?  At that point, the den will be working on electives.  Is he not supposed to work on the rank requirements until August rolls around and you begin at the beginning of the sequence again?

It looks like there might need to be a little tweaking of the delivery method, but overall it looks like a great idea.

Steve Waltz — Asst. Council Commissioner – Roundtables, Denver Area Council

12:24 pm
May 23, 2010


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

Great points from Bert & Steve. What I am getting out of all of this is that Scouters can take from what they need for each Den/Pack meeting and adjust to what works for them.

Not every unit is in step/line with what National is stating. Units have local events that they like to incorporate to help in advancement activities. What I have found from following various twitter accounts is that not all Scouting for Food events are the same.

However, what this program does do well is help in the recruiting and retention of Adult Scouters, Scout Parents and Den Leaders who want to do something but are challenged with running a meeting.

It's daunting to be faced with 5-8 Tigers and to have them do a leaf rubbing!

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

12:38 pm
May 23, 2010


bbender

Atlanta

PTC Tiger

posts 20

A couple of thoughts about 12 month "birthday in/birthday out" programs (like LDS), as opposed to "grade based" programs:

1)  Putting aside Webelos for a second, if a 12 month birthday unit follows the Den Meetings in the order of the Guide for Tiger, Wolf and Bear over a twelve month period, then, yeah, each Scout will earn the badge. 

–  And so, for that unit, "getting it done by February" isn't even a consideration, since everyone will have jumped on at a different time. 

–  Even if a Scout joined in the Spring and just did electives for 6 months, he'll still get the badge by the next birthday.  He'll get the rank stuff then in his last 6 months before he ages out to the next rank.  Yeah, sorta weird if they do all rank stuff for 6 months and all electives after, but . . . even if they mix it up, any Scout will likely have a lot of pent up arrow points by the time the Badge is earned, because . . . 

–  . . .  as a result of those two circumstances, I suspect that those units will also take more liberty with the "order" of meetings, since they won't have B&G anxiety about whether it all gets done by February (which is what drives the "front end loading" of the Guide's Den Meeting Plans):  they can chill out more every month, and put in easier supplemental meetings to spread out the "rank" work over the full year, plus take their time on meatier or funner meetings, and do them over two meetings instead of one.

2)  Now, for Webelos, they'll need to look at both of the two meeting arcs (Webelos and Arrow of Light), and look at their schedules to be sure that in the 12 month period they cover the right number of badges to earn both Webelos and Arrow of Light.  Meeting weekly should not result in a problem.

–  That said, shouldn't be too hard, since it takes, what, just 8 Activity Badges to earn the Arrow of Light.

–  A tool that will help all of that is getting the "template" for the Den Planning Email/Letter, and put it up also in "word", so ya can copy & edit freely as you plan out the arc of your Den Meetings.  Or you can go to the link below and it is in the Webelos plans that are in "word".

In either case, it will be important to watch the calendar to ensure that either "calendar creep" (how the "first monday" of any month slips year to year) or other scheduling doesn't cause a required rank activity to "slip" outside of a Scout's 12 month ride. 

Bert Bender
Pack and District Trainer
South Fulton District, Atlanta Area Council
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/node/1005

Bert Bender
Pack Trainer, Pack 631
http://atlanta631.mypack.us/home


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