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Round Up Registration, Dues and Re-charter

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8:41 am
August 30, 2010


JTHoppe

Northern Kentucky/Cincinnati

PTC Tiger

posts 16

Not sure if this has been covered before. I did a search and did not find much conversation so I thought I'd toss out the question with most everybody in the middle of fall recruiting, how does your pack handle specifically registration fees & dues for new recruits and then again when the pack re-charters?

What does your pack pay for (generally speaking) for the boys from dues collected based on your budget?

How does popcorn (or other fundraising) play into registration, re-charter and dues?

For re-charter, we have tried a number of different approaches — from ISAs to charging nominal annual dues at re-charter. This year we have set a specific amount for dues (basically the amount it costs the pack for one boy for one year for all activities, awards, PWD, Raingutter boats, craft stuff, Boy's Life, handbook, neckerchief, etc.) and the more popcorn a boy or family sells, the less the dues are on a prorated basis against our popcorn goal of $600. Meaning if you sell $600 or more in popcorn dues are $30. Sell virtually nothing( less than $75) dues are $230. Sell somewhere in between and the amount varies at a set amount.

For new recruits, we set the dues at what the pack will pay for registration fees, the boys' handbooks, a pack t-shirt, Boy's Life and all fall activities and also give them the info on re-charter fees so they can prepare/budget.

I am curious as to what others do.

9:15 am
August 30, 2010


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

Hi there:

The dues for our Pack is: (and some of this is being worked out as I speak)
$140-150 (140 is what we have charged for awhile…before I came in)
BSA Registration & Boys Life always included.$27
Patches & Crossover items of Books/Scarves/Slides covered.
Mt Hood Snow Day included.
Scout nights to sporting events not covered.
PWD (council gives us cars if we grow %10) OA does event for $250
B&G is covered, but will be asking families to donate food.
School Gym Rental $300

Popcorn: Boys can earn their dues and pay for camp. It's their money for that.

Wreaths: This year we are going to do wreath sales. This money will be for strictly PACK PROGRAMS/OUTINGS. We are trying to build up a reserve to pay for things as needed. (for those who want to, since other school/troop program might be selling wreaths as well)

Note: Any boy/family that cannot absolutely pay we point them to Popcorn/wreath sales. We will scholarship the rest. However, the parent/parents must step up and volunteer. Extreme cases will be considered. NO BOY WILL BE DENIED SCOUTING. (But you know that.)

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

10:37 am
August 30, 2010


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 592

We instituted Individual Scout Accounts a couple years ago and that has worked well. Starting with this year, we changed our fiscal year to match our program year (September 1 – August 31). Here's a link to a flyer that kind of explains our finances:

http://scoutpack19.shutterfly……/Pack%2019 %20Finances.pdf

Our Pack fee for all boys (whether they're new or rechartering) is $72 for 2010-2011. If they want a Boys Life subscription it is $84 (we discontinued forcing everyone to get BL two years ago, it is the family's option since it is the family's money; about half choose to subscribe).

What we are trying for this year is to have 50% of the pack fee ($36) due at the September pack meeting. The remaining 50% is due by December 31. When we reviewed the schedule and budget for 2010-2011, we found that it roughly works out that registration, insurance and all events prior to December 31 account for roughly half our annual budget, so that's why we did the two payment system.

Families with financial need can register through the Scoutreach program that means that council will not make us pay the registration or insurance for them. In some cases we have been able to get uniform shirts and handbooks as well, but there's no such thing as a 100% free ride. The family has to have some sort of commitment, either out of pocket or in time by participating in fundraisers.

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
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MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
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10:43 am
August 30, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

Post edited 2:50 pm – August 30, 2010 by MISS Liberty


*heart attack*

Wow.  We run very shoe string in our pack. :)

Our dues since inception have been $60/year.  However, how these dues were collected has changed.  Initially, the leadership charged $5/month.  Except, brilliant leaders that they were, they never held meetings in June, July and August… so um… that does NOT = $60.  (They never could figure out why they always came up short. *snort*)  Later we tried collecting $20 every 4 months – that didn't work because after the initial $20 people would gripe that they thought they'd paid and/or they'd be late and the treasurer would lose track of which payment was which.

We debated raising our dues to $65 last year when the registration/recharter fee went from $10 to $15, but instead our committee voted to do a hot dog fundraiser on Pinewood Derby night to compensate the difference.  (This wasn't a successful plan, but they'll know better this year.)

This year we will announce $65 dues at the September pack meeting – Due by November 12.  (Our recharter is due toward the end of November.)  This gives September, October, and November to come up with dues – essentially $20/month.  However, every youth who sells $200 in popcorn is waived the $65 fee.  For brand new Scouts just signing up, we charge the sliding scale fees for initial registration as well as the annual dues but we cover the remaining Boys Life fees. 

Clearly, $65 isn't funding "everything" we do all year long.  Outings are not covered – each family is responsible for paying for outings as they arise and we try very hard to pick "mostly free" activities when we can.  We are always reimbursed the cost of Boys Life magazine for all Scouts by our Charter Organization, so that helps us.  In December we typically sell mistletoe which is collected on our Committee Chairman's ranch and tie it with donated ribbon (no cost fundraiser) in order to cover the costs of families who can't/don't pay dues as well as to recover costs spent on adult leaders.  As rechartering takes place a full month earlier than usual this year, we are still in negotiations as far as how to handle that THIS year.  (We should have enough to float that amount until December, but no decisions have been finalized, yet.)

Finally, we do another "big" fundraiser in March – our District Scout Carnival.  This pays for our summer campout as well as for advancement for the next year.  (And I won't lie, we usually have extra which we use to "pad" anything that comes up – like our recharters being due early this year, or new equipment, etc.)

I'll admit, it's a low budget, but we're very lucky to get a lot of "stuff" donations.  (Craft items, games, food, etc.)  We do not have a uniform closet (our attempts have fallen flat), we do not give neckerchiefs/slides (I wish we could) at graduation, and we keep our pack meeting budgets VERY low.  (As in – if I want a costume or decorations, I had better be pinging Freecycle or asking around Round Table for loaners.)  That said – if I give enough advance warning at a District Meeting/Round Table, I *will* get what I need – from witch hats to pirate peg legs to sun/moon/stars/planets decorations, to empty tic tac containers.  :)

We don't have day camp scholarships at this point – but our Charter Organization does.  However, our previous Day Camp director let us move heavily into "gray area" for adult volunteers at Day camp so that our Day Camp – with an adult volunteer showing up every day – is only $25 after volunteer rebate.

It's definitely not perfect, but we get by. :)

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

11:59 am
August 30, 2010


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

Mine are for Boy Scouts but the same idea:

We are $100/year dues.  $50 due at Recharter (Jan 1st) and $50 Sept 15th.  We provide Fundraising for each.  We do Popcorn to be paid out for the Recharter Fees and then we have a Summer Fundraising Project which helps with Summer Camp and Sept 15th Dues. 

While no Scout is ever denied Scouting because of money issues we do encourage those who need assistance to participate in the Summer Fundraiser.  It is easy to earn tons of money if you work hard and show up.  I've had Scouts pay for summer camp AND Philmont working it.

YIS

bryan

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

1:32 pm
August 30, 2010


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 592

Sorry guys, that link should be http://scoutpack19.shutterfly……nances.pdf

(I don't know if it is just me or if it is because I use Chrome but I'm not able to see any of the enhanced posting features like formatting, quoting, attaching pictures, etc. Also can't edit my own posts.)

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator

5:04 pm
August 31, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 483

Our pack dues are $90 per year, as of this posting, paid once…but we may look into installments.

Our dues for the pack breakdown like this:

$15 for Registration

$12 for Boy's Life – everyone gets it

$15 for advancement

$2 for Leader Awards

$10 for Blue and Gold

$12 for PWD – we serve food

$7 for Webelos Graduation

$2 for the Holiday Parade – Costumes and candy

$5 for Raingutter Regatta

$5 for Misc Program Materials – photocopies and office supplies

$5 for Leader Training -BALOO, CS College…

Is it perfect? Nope…there is no perfect solution…and that is one of the first things I found out as a leader…what system works the best. Those costs can be offset with the fundraisers that we do…our biggie is the popcorn, which the scouts earn 30% of their sales, and that goes into their ISA. We will occasionally do additional fundraisers to earn extra for a specific purchase, but this works for us.

For the troop, we charge $100…$25 every 3 months, and so far, it's worked out.

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Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

8:17 pm
August 31, 2010


Veretax

Hinton, WV

PTC Bear

posts 68

Wow! It must be nice to have that much change to plunk down on cub scouts. We decided to charge the 15 dollars for registration (Given) $5 for a brag vest $15 of dues of which 5 is expected to be earned by the cub scout through fundraisers, or dues. So that's $30 I have no idea how anyone in WV could ever afford to pay upwards of a hundred bucks just to show up and be a scout. And don't even get me started on how expensive uniforms are.

5:05 am
September 1, 2010


CMTom106

West Palm Beach, FL

PTC Tiger

posts 7

We have pretty serious financial issues in our pack because we are located in a low-income school and this year we are expanding to offer scouting to the boys of an even lower income school. At roundup we collect the prorated registration fee of $7.00 and we make every effort to collect the Boys Life magazine subscription fee. That's all we hope for on roundup night. Selling the program is not the issue, everyone who sits and listens to the roundup presentation knows full well there is no better program for their boys and it ends up the cheapest by far when you compare apples to apples and what they actually get out of the program. The trouble is that most of our families live paycheck to paycheck and that paycheck is never enough. If I could somehow include some kind of parental program to assist in financial matters, maybe things would be better but as of now, for most of our families, just collecting the $7.00 prorated fee means that many of them will have to make sacrifices to cover it. I am always trying to figure out how to best overcome this problem. Sponsorship of the pack might help. We can offer ad space on our trailer and website (once we have a website) or perhaps do extra fundraisers this year and bank the money for next year and keep building until the pack is at least a year ahead on finances. From that point, the financial duty of the pack each year will be to replace the amount used the current year. It would be nice to get to the point where any boy who signs up has everything paid for them up front with the agreement that they must work to repay it by the end of the current scouting year. A lot of financial lessons can be had using such a method.

9:10 am
September 1, 2010


JTHoppe

Northern Kentucky/Cincinnati

PTC Tiger

posts 16

The responses thus far have been insightful…

@Veretax: Based on what you collect in dues, what then through out the year do the families need to pay for (if anything)? Activities/outings, awards, books, etc. or does the $15 per boy allow the pack to pay for everything?

@Scott: The link is still goofy Wink

@Shawn: I am guessing outings/activities and other "incedentals" like the hand book are paid for by the families?

While seeing that of this sample, we "charge" a lot more than most despite being in a relatively low income school/neighborhood. The reality is that a great majority of the Cubs plan to sell enough popcorn to eliminate the dues or significantly reduce the amount the family pays at re-charter time. In the past, a small number of families would sell enough popcorn to cover the entire pack's expenses for the year for every boy. Many more families would not sell anything or sell a handful of items. They did not "Do their best." Yet the pack continued to pay for all boys for everything. Fortunately there has been some reserve money in the treasury from a large donation some years back and a superb popcorn sale before the economy tanked. That reserve has since been all but depleted. The pack leadership and committee wanted to find a way to equalize the cost across all of the families if the pack was to continue to pay for everything for the boys.

We are justify the "cost" by guaranteeing the pack pays everything for the boys do, earn and receive except for their uniform and summer camp (unless they exceed the set popcorn sales goal, then the pack pay for camp or prorated amount). We also promote the year round program and the relative cost for sports and other activities that are 2-3 months tops and sometimes are more expensive that our dues. We sell the value.

We never deny any boy or family the opportunity to participate based on finances and can offer aid (same as Scott spoke of as we are in the same council).

I am sure we could get by with charging less in dues and relying on families to pay for more (some outings, handbooks, awards that are not rank advancement, etc.) We have always believed that it is a hassle to ask repeatedly month over month for dues or fees to cover the pack's expenses for the boys…it feels like we're "nickel and diming" the parents. However, if someone asked for a payment plan to cover dues, we can absolutely accommodate that request and work with the family.

4:10 pm
September 1, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 483

JTHOppe, that is exactly why we went to ISAs…Individual Scout Accounts. We started selling popcorn 6 years ago, and made HUGE $$$ the first year, and the pack paid for everyone to do everything. We did a lot of stuff that year…hockey game, indoor football game, no fees on anything…yup, our pack of 27 blew through $6000. By the way, I didn't mention that out of the 27 scouts, all the scouts got the same thing for their whole family. So for our hockey game, each person that attended got one ticket and a $5 coupon good for concessions…that's where the problem started.

Seems as though 5 scouts sold about 80% of that $6000…about $4800. But these weren't the scouts that got to go all over and do all the stuff. The scouts and families that showed up for the events didn't really "help the pack go"…one family wouldn't participate in den or pack meetings, and didn't sell any popcorn, but seemed that they always had 5 or 6 family members at each outing the pack paid for…I don't want to get dinged for being unscoutly, but you know what I am saying.

One of my shows outlined what happened next…we went to ISAs, and went to camp…all funded with popcorn. We started a budget, but the CC didn't want to hear it…long story short, the ISA works for us, and the health of the pack. The scouts know what they have to do annually, and it seems that no matter what obstacles the scouts and their families encounter, in the end, they always have money for the pack dues, a couple of outings, and summer camp…and they never write a check.

We have started a Cubmaster's Closet, that will have experienced items in it, and which we will ask for a donation of half the original cost. If a family comes to us with a financial hardship, we will bring that to the committee to discuss ways to help the scout stay in the program. Obviously, we will never deny a boy because of finances, but we will make every effort to ensure that the scout and his family are willing to put in, albeit through working and fundraising.

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11:56 am
September 2, 2010


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 592

What Shawn said. ;)

We had the same issue. Our pack would have 5 boys that accounted for 90% of popcorn sales and they got no benefit other than a somewhat nicer crappy plastic prize that usually breaks for the meeting is over.

Middletown OH is low income, and we all struggle. Heck, we were #10 on the list of fastest dying cities in America a couple years ago (don't know where we rank now). But the ISA program has been well received by everyone which a few exceptions (those would be the types of families that Shawn spoke of in his 2nd paragraph).

Since we went to the ISA system, we've had increased attendance across the board, higher advancement rates, more TRAINED leaders, higher retention rates, an explosion in attendance in our campouts and summer camp. Is it all because of ISA's? No, but families knowing thtat by selling popcorn or using the Kroger cards their sons earn money to pay for Scouting stuff that otherwise would come out of their pocket has been a huge force.

That new link works for me but here is another one off my dropbox:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/105592…..nances.pdf

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator

8:16 pm
September 2, 2010


Veretax

Hinton, WV

PTC Bear

posts 68

@Veretax: Based on what you collect in dues, what then through out the year do the families need to pay for (if anything)? Activities/outings, awards, books, etc. or does the $15 per boy allow the pack to pay for everything?

This past year was a disaster. We had the Popcorn fund raiser and a bake sale, but we were not fully trained for most of the year. Honestly I agree with the other posters in ISA, being the goal. My understanding is the dues cover patches, up to a point, anything that goes above that amount we'd have to ding them for again if they wanted their kid to have it think, And I can already see that maybe dues are too low even at 15. We are still learning, this is really our 2nd true year. The first one they had 2 cubs, at founding I think that went to camp.

Right now outings the parents have to bring their kids because of Seat laws for most of the kids. Very few can sit without seats, that may change this year, we'll see. We are still learning. We hope that popcorn can be a big seller, and have another fundraiser in october that coincides with a fair. The boys may be able to earn their uniform by October. We hope, and Again, we are still getting our feet under it. Really, this pack wasn't fully constituted at the church until February of this year. Its amazing how far we've come.


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