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Transitioning Leaders from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts

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12:29 pm
April 13, 2011


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 596

For those of you leaders who have sons who are getting ready to finish up their time in their Pack and move on to a Troop, what are your plans for what you're going to do as a leader? Will you stay with the pack? Move onto the Troop with your son? Slide over to a district position like Unit Commissioner or be a trainer or part of Roundtable staff? I'm curious as to what everyone else is planning on doing.

If you are a leader whose son already has made that transition, what did you do?

I know in some cases the answer is, "Stayed with the pack because kid #2 is about to join or already is in the Pack." But I'm wondering more about what happens when your last kid ages out of the pack and you don't have any more in the Pack or going to be in the pack in the future. What did you do or do you plan on doing?

I'm somewhat conflicted over what I've chosen. I do want to be a leader with the Troop my son crossed into at the end of February. In fact, it is also the Troop I was a member of as a youth in the late 1980's and early 1990's. But at the same time I want to make sure my son experiences Boy Scouts for himself without the old man underfoot all the time. So in my case what I've done is agreed to stay on as Committee Chairman of my son's now former pack until the end of our program year, August 31st. On September 1st an existing leader I've been grooming for the role will take over, and I will step down to the role of Pack Trainer. I do not plan on leaving completely as I also have ties to the Pack beyond my son – it was the pack I grew up in as a youth and I am officially considered one of the Founders of the pack as I was on the first roster.

Waiting until September 1st to sign on as a leader with the Troop will allow me to decrease my Scouting workload with the Pack so I don't overextend myself, plus it will give my son the benefit of six months of Troop meetings and activities without his dad around. I'm hoping that by then he will have had time to establish himself for himself in the Troop and I will be able to drop in as an Assistant Scoutmaster to not have to worry about stepping on his toes.

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator

10:13 pm
April 13, 2011


AmyS

Tucson, AZ

PTC Bear

posts 52

I'm sticking around with the pack a while longer, at least until they do their annual planning in early summer. After that I may just take a scouting break. I'm honestly fairly burned out and not ready to take on anything new, unless they want service with a big dose of snark.

My son's scoutmaster did mention at his scout meeting Monday that they're looking for some help running some fundraisers, but I just can't get excited about that right now.

9:58 am
April 14, 2011


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

Scott: 

I think that your in a great and unique position with your pack since your listed as a founder.  For that reason, I would stick around to help "Make the Pack Go".  Because of that, I have two suggestions.  Once your tenure is up as Committee Chair, you could stay on as Pack Trainer and even become the COR for them.  The COR would be after the Pack Trainer since you would be able to keep the Pack stable for the leadership. That would keep your foot in the door.

As to the Troop, I am having the same issue in a few years.  My son crosses over in 2013.  I want to take a year off from leadership.  I suspect that I will sign-up as a MBC and help with transportation.  I will always be there for the Pack just in case.  I might sign-on a Pack Trainer for no more than two years.  (Yes, it's the length of the Knot, but it will keep them trained pointed in the right direction.)

If anything, I have a small desire to be the Advancement person or assist with it at the troop level.  It's good to distance yourself from your son in the troop after heavy involvement in the Pack.

 

YIS

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

11:42 am
April 14, 2011


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

BWHAAAAAHHAHHHAHHHA!

You are trying to plan what you want to do for leadership in the transitioning from Cub Scouts to Boy Scouts…good luck with that.

Unless you have a standing invitation to do a specific job, I wouldn't really plan anything. The job that you go to will involve 2 things.

1.) What the unit has available
and
2.) What the unit has available

You may WANT to be the Quartermaster, but the troop already has 3 Quartermasters. But they really need a Treasurer. You know the job, but don't want to do it. So now what? The troop NEEDS you, and you WANT to help. You know that without the treasurer, the finances won't be clear, and the uncertainty starts to creep in. The Scout Accounts need to be managed, camps need to be paid for and the troop needs a new flag…

At the end of the day, you take on treasurer, because you know you need to do to make the unit a success. Yes, treasurer isn't glamorous, but without it, the PLC's plans won't come to fruition.

When I transitioned with my oldest, yes, I still had one in the pack, I was already in place as the Scoutmaster for the new troop. My hardest thing was trying to find a job with the pack to stay around, but nothing "frontline"…I was/am done with doing that on the pack level. Been there, done that, got 8 t-shirts.

Had things gone a different route (finding a unit with a program our scouts deserved), I may be a district volunteer, or committee member, or still on the pack committee.

In scouting, searching out a job doesn't really work…the job usually finds you.

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12:32 pm
April 14, 2011


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 596

That might be the case if I wanted to be Quartermaster. But since I have zero desire to be on the committee (like you said, "been there, done that, got 8 t-shirts"), and there is no limit to the # of Asst. Scoutmasters a unit can have, it isn't really a factor in my decision this time around.

And here's the thing. I've been doing this long enough that I know where I can excel and where I can't. And I also know that even the best leader ever will be a crappy leader if they're stuck in a role they do not want to be doing. So if the Troop doesn't want another SA, then I guess I'll be spending more time with my district level duties, or with my duties as CR of the units at my church, or with Girl Scouts with my daughter, or be a merit badge counselor or something. Would it suck that I don't get to be involved in my son's Troop? Sure. But if there's no good fit for me there then so be it.

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator

1:40 pm
May 6, 2011


relapse98

PTC Tiger

posts 8

My son will be crossing over in December of this year. I've made it well known that I will be staying with the pack after that and probably for quite awhile. I love my job as Committee Chair. I think my son needs to move on to Boy Scouts and experience it without me helicoptering around. I'll probably join the committee of whatever troop he joins, but my primary focus (besides day camp program director) will be as CC of the pack.

12:08 pm
May 16, 2011


Jeff

Sunny Florida

PTC Bear

posts 63

i left the pack with my son earlier this year and was asked to be a part of the troop's committee. i have also played the role of 'scouting consultant' to current members of his pack :)

10:09 pm
May 27, 2011


crminniear

Mason, OH

PTC Wolf

posts 27

smwalker_oh said:

I know in some cases the answer is, "Stayed with the pack because kid #2 is about to join or already is in the Pack."

Or, because kid #3 is about to join, and then 3 years later, kid #4 will join…

 

I think the great thing about the Troop that my oldest has joined is that there are a lot of ASMs there already – so my involvement as an ASM can be as little as it needs to be.  My main goal as ASM oddly is one of mine as Cubmaster – build a better Den Chief training for both the Den Chiefs and the Den Leaders.  So I see my role transitioning very slowly over the next several years… hoping that we can identify someone to take on the Cubmaster role in that time – perhaps allowing me to step back as a Den Leader (in official capacity, unlike my oldest son's Tiger year) and ride it out slowly that way.

 

What will actually happen is that I'll be stuck there forever and ever and ever and ever and ever and ever…  ;)

Chris Minniear, Cubmaster, Pack 998, Mason OH; Hopewell District Roundtable Staff; Assistant Scoutmaster, Troop 194; Hopewell Cub Klondike Chair; General Lunatic

2:50 pm
June 27, 2011


japhmi

PTC Tiger

posts 9

My dad is the Pack Trainer for the Pack that I was in as a boy.  I'm the youngest boy, and now I'm in my 30s.  Some people just can't leave (he's also a MC for the Troop, unit commisioner for some units, and on the council property's committee….)

Cubmaster, Pack 65 – Portland, OR | Committee Chair, Troop 65 – Portland, OR | Campmaster – Camp Meriwether, CPC | Years until I have a child in the program – 2


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