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3:16 am
April 20, 2010


Kiff76

Bristol, UK

PTC Webelos

posts 91

I call upon my PTC friends to help me out here – please I am not trying to start fights or get into anything politicle.

I was recently asked the question by an Explorer Scout "Why would america not want free health care" I have tried to research the world wide web and every answer I find is politically fueled and maybe that is the case.

I was wondering if anyone could give me a idiots(Limey's) guide as to why this might be a bad idea.

Yours in Scouting

Kiff

Chris Meadows – ACC Explorers – Avon Scout County nn*10 bins, 4 planks of wood, 3m of rope and a river full of crocodiles. Sounds like a normal Thursday night.

8:55 am
April 20, 2010


scoutmasterjerry

Troutdale, OR

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posts 280

Ask him who he thinks is going to pay for it??
Free??? It's not Free.
Without getting political (there are policies in the BSA that preclude us from getting into Politics)….
Its a matter of incentives and taking away benefits.
I have great health care because I work for a company that feels it is important that its employees have great health care.
We are already starting to see a decline in services provided and treatment options because of "Free" health care.
I live in America where you get what you EARN.
There is nothing free in the world, you work hard and you are rewarded for hard work.
Lets put this in terms of Boy Scouts.
Do we "Give Away" the Eagle award?
No.. a Scout works his way through the advancement program and then when the Scout has EARNED the required merit badges, planned, resourced, and supervised a service project that leaves a lasting impact on the community and chartered organization, has the required time and service to his unit through an approved leadership position, takes part in a Scoutmaster conference where his Scoutmaster and him discuss the fact that he has grown and developed into a good young man that lives the Scout Oath and Law daily… then completes a Board of Review he has then and only then completed the requirements to EARN the Eagle Award. No where along that path is anything Given to him.. he works… he gets.
If we handed out Eagle Awards and every Scout that walked through our doors got them, they would mean less.
Now Every Scout has the opportunity to EARN the Rank of Eagle, but he has to take advantage of those opportunities and work hard if that is what he wants.
Free medical care is not a right. The human being in all of us agree that basic care (emergency etc) should be available to all.. I don't have a problem with that, but when it comes to comprehensive medical care and benefits??? No.. you work .. you get.
Employers that have an incentive to provide will.. if the government takes over the program, it takes away the incentive for an employer to provide the benefit to its employees.
OK.. stepping off the soap box now.
Don't hate.
Have a Great Scouting Day!

Jerry Schleining Jr.

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8:59 am
April 20, 2010


Cubmaster Chris

Cedar Park, Texas

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posts 515

Here's my opinion.

Just like every other hot-button topic people have tried to post on PTC, my Cubs never ask me about it. They want me to put on a good program and have some fun. So, as they would tell me, this topic is already boring.

Moving on…

9:48 am
April 20, 2010


Scouter_Garry

SATX

PTC Boy Scout

posts 106

My reply is "No good or service is ever free"

There are tons of holes in this brief explanation, It is intended to explain the situation to my 7 year old daughter and 11 year old son.

The doctor goes to College or university and pay $6,000+/year for four years of higher education. Then goes on to Medical School and pays another $10,000+/year for 5 addidtional years of post graduate education. So that's $75,000+ to get from high school to working. If as this Dr. as many do put these cost of education on loan He has to pay roughly $500+ per month to get out of debt in 15 years.

So the Dr. needs a place to live Let's say they're a bit chintzy on where they live that's another $1500 per month. Throw in food of $800 per month. No cable or frills 'cause they always work. We'll say they walk to work 'cause it's healthy.

Malpractice Insurance ranges from $32,000 to $116,000 or more per year. We'll take the Mean of $74,000 or $6200 per month.

So we've got $500 School loans + $6200 malpractice insurance + $1500 Rent and utilities + $800 food. Our entry level doctor costs $9000 a month. This could be a good doctor that takes as long as each patient needs or could be a doctor that see each patient 5 minutes so he makes his quota of 100 patients each day.

Now if all 301,270 doctors report by the department of labor cost an average of $9,000 a month thats $32.54 Billion per year. Keep in mind this is only the cost of the doctor, not the nurses, staff, facilities, pharmaceuticals,etc. The $32.54 billion gets divided up among those that pay taxes. It is estimated that 134 million returns are filed in the US, but 45% have no tax liability. So 74 million people/families pay taxes and thus would pay for the doctors.

My question to the scout would be "Since the Doctor actually costs something and is not free, Should 74 million working tax paying people/families pay for the healthcare of 45 million people/families that do not pay taxes and are not considered to be in poverty or poor?" I feel we as a nation should be charitable to those that truly are poor, so those of us that do pay taxes should shoulder the burden of the 34.3 million living in poverty in the United States.

9:53 am
April 20, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

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posts 483

Um, yea…

I, too, am moving on from this one…

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1:43 pm
April 20, 2010


Kiff76

Bristol, UK

PTC Webelos

posts 91

My thanks to those who answered that give a better picture. Topic Closed

YIS

K

Chris Meadows – ACC Explorers – Avon Scout County nn*10 bins, 4 planks of wood, 3m of rope and a river full of crocodiles. Sounds like a normal Thursday night.


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