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When do you just throw your hands up and give up??

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10:03 pm
August 28, 2009


Kris

Admin

posts 122

Okay, so I don't know how many have been following me on Twitter or what not, but….  I've been taking blow upon blow on the scout front.  Most recently is the scout presence at the Great NY State Fair.  Our council took lead and put together a booth at the state fair.  We opened it up to ALL units in the state.  We even offered free camping at our local camp.  Well, we didn't have HUGE success with out of council units, but we had more than we had units within the council sign up.  Now, the Fair is the single hugest event in the area of the year.  1 million (plus or minus) people go through the gates.  ALOT of locals mark it on the calendar as soon as they buy it in January.

My part of the Fair experience was the nightly parade.  We just asked that scouts show up to march (or ride as we have a float) in the 25 min parade that goes from one side of the grounds to the other.  I had 1 scout & 2 parents beyond my own family the first day (and they were family friends and did it as a personal favor).  Today it was just me & my Webelos son…. NOT A SINGLE OTHER SCOUT!  During the parade I saw 2 of the families from my OWN Pack!!!  I had personally emailed/contacted each family!!!

This is the same Pack that KNOWS that my husband, the CM, is trying to get his teaching certificate and won't be available this fall to fill his duties as CM and they'd rather "wait for him" than step up and at least take an ACM position!!  The same Pack that when I quit flat out last fall as CC did nothing except accept a parent agreeing to put his name down on paper only just so we could recharter!!!  Left everything up to my husband (the CM) to deal with!!

The district???  They couldn't be bothered to do the Fair either!!!  And as for support of me….I'm ADC & co-Events Chair (for CS) and they (the key 3 or any of the committee for that matter) have NEVER been to any of the events that I've put on!!! (I've done 3 now since Jan 2009 when there hadn't been a CS event in YEARS!)  My current project doesn't even carry the District name as a sponsor!!!  I'm doing it pretty free form & giving the units I'm working with & council the credit (and it isn't my unit either).

At what point do I just tell them all to SCREW IT and bail????  I'm feeling so defeated.  I am tired of being knocked down just to get up and get smacked in the head again.  I'm ready to lay down & play dead.

AND to top it off…. I've gotten myself a job working in the Scout Shop and I have to wonder how long before dealing with the units/district  before I learn to loath the program that I can't even enjoy going to work to help the individual scout/parent?!?!?!

But… (get this Cleary) I did actually say NO to a DE the other day.  It was just when he wanted me to run for watermelon during a popcorn pick-up day, but still… I said NO!!!  He was shocked!  (shame is, he's one of the good one that really doesn't ask much of me)

Thoughts?????

10:18 pm
August 28, 2009


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 483

Since I always comment on your predicaments, Kris, I feel obligated to do it again…

This is really odd, as I was doing file cleaning the other day and found an email exchange that you and I had, roughly covering the same things…

Here is my advice, and for those out there who may disagree…quit…

That is right, quit…quit it all, and the hubby too…go to meetings, go to events, and leave your shirt at home, hubby too…no more titles, no more scouting for you or your husband, let them have it.

At what point are you going to snap? I don't know, but at what point are you willing to get before you snap? Do you want to be the one who snaps at the exact wrong time, forever ruining any chances that you had at happiness in the scouting program? Or do you want to cause embarassment to your son(s) and turn into "that mom" in the district?

Scouting is for the boys, time to let them do it, and for the adult Brabham's to focus on themselves and their happiness, and hang up the shirts for a time…I did, and it worked for me…

You are fighting city hall…and there is an issue with that…there isn't any room in scouting for fighting. It seems that you like the program, not the politics…step down, and let them come to you.

Someone told me to take a break, and the district will soon ask "What happened to the Cleary Scouting Machine?"…I did and that question is coming up now, but it's on my terms and nobody else's….

That's all I have…your move…

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

12:51 am
August 29, 2009


Kris

Admin

posts 122

I totally agree with what you're saying Shawn and I'm finally hearing it.  But….. what about the boys???  What about the boys that I might reach by being there the other 10 days of the Fair???  What about the boys that have yet to find cub scouts???  The ones that see the flyer that I've put together to invite them to our Open House Pack Meeting???  I can't just leave them hanging because the parents of the ones already in the program are duds.

I WHOLE HEARTEDLY believe the current Lion/Tiger/Yet to be Lion level parents have it going on.  What if I want to hold out for them???  Is that wrong???  8 of 10 of my Lions crossed over to Tigers and of those 8, 6 families are stepping up, just not taking the BIG (CM) leap.

I have to admit, my October event is….. KILLER!!!  And if nothing else, I'll hold on until then.  But even then, I'm dealing with the Red Cross & a really great Fire Department and not scouters!!!!  Maybe after that I'll say "hasta pasta" to the rest of them!!!

1:43 pm
August 29, 2009


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 483

And you have the right to hang on as long as you want…

You were having issues earlier this year, and are still having issues….and you are still going to have issues if you stay where you are at…

When you eat something that doesn't taste right, you either throw it away or season it until it tastes right…

Where are you?…

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

8:34 am
August 31, 2009


BigMc

Houston

PTC Tenderfoot

posts 243

Kris,

I have to agree with Shawn – take a break and recharge.  I could tell Friday night on Twitter that you were having a rough go.  Shawn and CM Chris both took a break and people noticed.  It will be the same for you.  Your passion for the program is obvious, but do not let it consume you. Take some time and enjoy the program as a parents, not drivers. 

When my oldest bridged to his Troop, I told his SM rigt off the bat that I would be a committee member, but that I was burned out and had one who would be a Tiger that fall and that I couldn't take on more of a role.  It was refreshing to be a spectator (albeit an active one) rather than trying to figure out the program for the next meeting.  I hit Tigers as ADL and became DL 4 months later – almost exactly one year after Curtis bridged.  I think the break helped me more than I knew at the time, because I know my den meetings are better than when Curtis was a Cub. 

The Pack will survive.  It may be rough for a while, but they will survive and someone will probably take a shot at stepping up.  At that point, even though it isn't how you would do it, give them the support you aren't getting.

As Shawn noted, hang on as long as you want, but you need to decide where you are bersus where you should be.

Good luck – you're in our prayers.

Kevin Mc.
ScoutMaster – Troop 1865;
Copperhead District;
Sam Houston Area Council;
Houston, TX;
Twitter TaxgeekKM

11:00 am
August 31, 2009


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 592

You and your family come first.  If everything else is getting in the way, then push it out of mind.

(and it might not be helpful for your current situation but the Key 3 of your district need a swift kick in the pants for not giving you the support you need or turning out to a single district cub event and if I was in your shoes…and I have been at one point…I would make sure to show up to the next Key 3 meeting and tell them exactly that.)

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
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3:32 pm
September 1, 2009


johneegeek

Kenosha, WI

PTC Tiger

posts 15

Post edited 7:32 pm – September 1, 2009 by johneegeek


I think Shawn has the right idea here.  You should probably clean your overly full plate and just focus on stuff that directly impacts YOUR son.  If your district is not supporting you, disengage from them and focus your energy to your son's unit.  You're not going to fix your district alone; but your son's Pack can certainly use your 'scout energy.'

It's okay to be a little selfish here, if it helps your son, it will also positively impact the other scouts surrounding your son.   And even if the parents of your son's unit do not appreciate you…It won't really matter because it'll be right for YOUR son and the scouts that surround him….And you will be able to better see the fruits of your labor.

Good luck with whatever you decide!

 

 

John Kiernan, Cubmaster – Pack 567 – Kenosha, WI
www.nashpack567.org

6:45 pm
September 1, 2009


Nick the UK GSL

Newcastle-under-Lyme, Staffordshire, UK

PTC Boy Scout

posts 146

In 2005 I took one of the hardest decisions I've ever made and closed our Scout Troop. I'd been running the Troop on my own for around 18 months without any other Leaders.

Every week it was getting harder and harder to do the weekly meetings and I didn't look forward to them. Despite a lot of requests, none of the parents were willing to help, the District were unable to help and the Group's other Leaders couldn't help out either. I wasn't providing a good enough programme and it wasn't safe for me to be on my own so I took the hard decision and closed the Troop. I arranged for the other local Troops to take on our Scouts. One parent complained to me that she'd just bought her son a new uniform and wasn't happy that I had closed the Troop. However, she was unwilling to do anything to help!

Just over a year later, a parent came forward who was willing to restart the Troop and today it is extermely successful.

By taking nearly a year off from 'front line' Scouting, I was able to come back with greater enthusiasm and was able to look at my Group Scout Leader's role properly and am able to help out at each of the sections and camps etc.

Taking the time out, albeit in a rather drastic fashion, helped me and I guess has also helped the Group as well.

Good luck with your decisions.

Nick Wood –

Group Scout Leader
1st Stoke-on-Trent & Newcastle, St. Andrews Porthill, UK

8:05 pm
September 2, 2009


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

Dear Kris,

I wub you even if your unit and district doesn't!

This is the same stuff we wrestle with here, too.  Not on the pack level, but on the troop level.  The best advice I have for you is the same advice my unit commissioner gave me:

Stop taking it personally.

It isn't personal.  If people are lazy it is because they are lazy. If they are mean or if they are flakes, that's their choice and has no reflection on you personally. 

It's a beautiful thing to care so deeply about an organization that you're willing to make sacrifices to make it work, but in the end, you can't make the only sacrifices and see any difference, you know?  There is power in numbers and if you don't have those numbers, don't sit there banging your head against the wall trying to put a puzzle together with only half the pieces.

Don't think of it as "quitting".  Quitting isn't in the scouting spirit of things.  (Besides, I can't stand a quitter.  *wink*)  Think of it as taking a break, as others have said, or more importantly, protecting your own interests and those of your family. Take a step back. 

Hang in there chicky, it's rough but you're doing your best and no one can ask more than that!

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

4:36 pm
September 3, 2009


ArvadaScout

Arvada, CO

PTC Boy Scout

posts 184

Kris, Liberty is right on with her comments.  There is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a break from your volunteer work.  Use it as a time to recharge your batteries, get your head straightened out, or whatever you want to call it. 

I just stepped down after 14 years as Cubmaster. Nothing against the boys or the parents.  It just wasn't fun for me any more.

If you're not enjoying it, take a break.

Steve Waltz — Asst. Council Commissioner – Roundtables, Denver Area Council


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