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can a scout 'fail' a BOR (non-eagle)

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1:56 pm
July 15, 2011

Jeff

Sunny Florida

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like the title, can a scout fail a board of review?

consider this – the scouts PL or troop guide signs off… the SM has a SM conference which should catch/validate that he is ready. since the committee performing the BOR cannot retest, is it more of a formaility?

im trying to separate the official training from the copied troop policies i have seen

8:14 pm
July 15, 2011

crminniear

Mason, OH

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I've always understood the BoR as more of a Quality Control check on the Troop's program than it is really a review of the Scout. It allows the committee to review the program through the eyes of the boys. Based on that, I cannot see how they would fail… interesting question, though.

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7:20 pm
July 17, 2011

Veretax

Hinton, WV

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I think the board of review is approached in a lot of different ways. I know when I was in the unit, they required you to show up in your Uniform, not a troop T-shirt of some kind, and look presentable. That was about the only way you wouldn't pass the BoR when i was in scouts. Since I never had a problem with the uniform, that never came up to me, but I know some boys who apparently bumped into this, and I think part of it was their attitude?

However, since I've become an Adult Leader, I'm not sure what they did was actually what is typically prescribed for a board of review. So no, I'd say in reality the board of a review seems to be the Committee's chance to review with the boy and get an idea of how they see the program, I think.

7:10 am
July 18, 2011

Jeff

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when i was a scout – we had to be 100% class A uniform or we would have to reschedule. the same applies to my sons troop now. i dont consider that failing since they just come back when they are properly dressed.

8:16 am
July 18, 2011

smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

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I've seen this come up on Ask Andy several times. The guidelines for conducting a BoR never say a word about a full Scout uniform being reuqired (presentable I think might be mentioned, but i'd have to go back and re-read). So if the unit requires a full uniform that is essentially adding to advancement requirements which is pretty much item numero uno on thing you shall not do. I'd post a link to the Ask Andy column but there are probably at least a dozen of them out there. Just go to usscouts.org and do a search.

I think that part of the problem is that the Troop Committee Challenge doesn't really go in depth on what the purpose of the BoR is or (especially) how to conduct one, so most units may not have many people who have actually read the guidelines and that turns BoR's into something they're not supposed to be.

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10:19 am
July 18, 2011

Jeff

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smwalker_oh said:

So if the unit requires a full uniform that is essentially adding to advancement requirements which is pretty much item numero uno on thing you shall not do.

havent really thought of it like that. ill bring that up at the meeting this week.

10:38 am
July 18, 2011

Jeff

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found this in Advancement Committee Guide Policies and Procedures (No. 33088),

http://www.scouting.org/filest…../33088.pdf

The review should take approximately 15 minutes.

At the conclusion of the review, the board should

know whether a boy is qualified for the rank or Palm.

The Scout is asked to leave the room while the board

members discuss his achievements. The decision of the

board of review is arrived at through discussion and

must be unanimous. If members are satisfied that the

Scout is ready to advance, he is called in, congratulated,

notified as to when he will receive his recognition, and

encouraged to continue his advancement or earn the

next Palm.

If the board decides that the Scout is not ready

to advance, the candidate should be informed

and told what he has not done satisfactorily. Most

Scouts accept responsibility for not completing the

requirements properly. The members of the board

of review should specify what must be done to

rework the candidate’s weaknesses and schedule

another board of review for him. A follow-up letter

must be sent to a Scout who is turned down

for rank advancement, confirming the agreements

reached on the actions necessary for advancement.

Should the Scout disagree with the decision, the

appeal procedures should be explained to him. (See

‘‘Appealing a Decision,’’ page 33.)

After the board of review is completed, the

Scoutmaster is informed of all of the decisions that

were made by the board of review.

Remember, after a Scout satisfactorily completes

a board of review, he cannot be recognized until

that action is reported to the council service center

on an Advancement Report. A monthly report

keeps unit records current and is a good practice.

The troop scribe should also keep a record in the

Troop/Team Record Book

Scout master and use by other boards of review.

for easy reference by the

11:29 am
July 18, 2011

smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

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I was just going to post a link to Chapter 7 (Advancement) of the Troop Committee Guide Book #34045. It is from the 2003 printing of the 1998 revision, so if someone is more current and supercedes, this may not be correct anymore.

http://db.tt/SbLP428

Board of Review (Except for Eagle Scout)

When A Scout has completed all the requirements for a rank, he appears before a board of review composed of at lest three and not more than six committee members.

The review has three purposes:
1. To make sure that the work has been learned and completed.
2. To find what kind of experience the boy is having in his patrol and troop.
3. to encourage the Scout to progress further.

The board of review is not a time to retest the Scout, but to determine the Scout's attitude and his acceptance of Scouting ideals. It is also important to review those Scouts who are not advancing. the guidance and care shown could motivate these Scouts to further achievement.

The review should be conducted at a convenient time and location, such as a troop meeting, summer camp, or the home of a member of the troop committee. Scoutmasters and assistant Scoutmasters do not participate in the board of review..

The board of review members should feel free to refer to the Boy Scout Handbook, Scoutmaster Handbook, or any other references during the review.

Because many boys are ill at ease when talking to adults, it is important that the board of review be held in a relaxed atmosphere. A certain amount of formality and meaningful questioning should be used during the review. Use questions that require a narrative answer.

Examples of the kinds of questions that might be asked are:

What do you like most in troop outdoor activities?
What new things did you do/learn on your latest campout/service project/troop meeting?
What did you learn/feel in giving service to others?
Why is being a Boy Scout important to you?
What are your goals in Scouting?
How will fulfilling requirement number _______ help you?

These types of questions will help the boy to see the value and practical application of his efforts.

At the conclusion of the review, the board should know whether a boy is qualified for the rank or palm. The Scout is asked to leave the room while the board members discuss his achievements. The decision of the board of review is arrived at through discussion and must be unanimous. If members are satisfied that the Scout is ready to advance, he is called in, congratulated, notified as to when he will receive his recognition, and encouraged to continue his advancement or earn the next palm.

Scouts who are not advancing should also come before the board of review. The board should show interest in these Scouts' rank progress. Ask the kind of questions that may reveal why they are not advancing:

Do you enjoy the outings/troop meetings?
Which of the requirements are most difficult for you?
Do you find that school activities are taking more of your time? Which ones?

Let the Scout know that he has the support of the board of review members and that there is no doubt that he can achieve the next rank. The board's concern and supportive manner will both help the Scout's confidence and impress upon him the importance of advancement in his Scouting experience.

At the conclusion of every board of review, it is the committee's responsibility to prepare and turn in to the local council office a copy of the Advancement Report, and ensure that the badges earned by the boys are obtained and awarded in a timely fashion.

Eagle Board of Review

The Boy Scouts of America has placed the Eagle Scout board of review in the hands of either the troop committee or the district or council advancement committee. Your council has determined which method is to be used.

The Eagle board of review is composed of a minimum of three members and a maximum of six members. the members do not have to be registered Scouters, but must understand the importance of the rank and the Eagle board of review. At least one district or council advancement representative shall be a member when the board of review is conducted on the troop level.

If a unanimous decision is not reached, a new review may be convened at the request of the applicant, the Scoutmaster, or the troop committee. If the applicant is again turned down, the decision can be appealed to the national Boy Scout Committee. Your district or council representative can help in this process.

Courts of Honor

When a Scout advances, he should be recognized as soon as possible–preferably at the next unit meeting. He is recognized a second time at a public ceremony called a court of honor.

The main purposes of the court of honor are to furnish formal recognition for achievement and to provide incentive for other Scouts to advance.

Formal courts of honor should be conducted at least four times a year. All Scouts who have advanced since the previous court of honor are honored. Their parents and friends should be invited to attend the ceremony.

Suggestions on court of honor agendas and ceremonies are found in Troop Program Resources for Boy Scout Leaders.

11:32 am
July 18, 2011

smwalker_oh

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Thanks for that link Jeff, I hadn't gotten a hold of that one yet!

1:08 pm
July 18, 2011

Jeff

Sunny Florida

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no problem – thats where i saw the info originally and many troops seem to have bits and pieces posted on their websites.

9:50 pm
July 19, 2011

SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

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My opinion, which doesn't really count for a whole lot, is a scout should always pass the BoR…the Scoutmaster and/or his designate are the ones who signed off on his requirements, and the Scoutmaster or his designate should be ensuring that the scout is ready for the review.

Personally, if the scout fails, it's the Scoutmaster who failed, not the scout. The Scoutmaster underestimated his scout's abilities and sent him off unprepared. That is my opinion…

In other words, a scout should never fail a TROOP BoR, as he should be prepared for each step by the youth and adult leaders. I put troop in caps to say that scouts may fail a district BoR for his Eagle. That, too, I feel, shouldn't happen…the scout should be prepared by all of the previous Scoutmaster conferences and BoRs for that Eagle BoR.

Anyways, being properly uniformed is only one method of scouting, but I do believe that if a scoutmaster is using all of the methods, and the scouts are responding, then it can be used when referring to Scout Spirit.

In a nutshell, should a scout pass the SMC, he should pass the BoR….IMO

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