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Scout camp cancelled — questions about options?

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2:17 pm
June 8, 2011


AmyS

Tucson, AZ

PTC Bear

posts 52

Our council scout camp just got cancelled due to the national forest being closed. (Coronado NF, if anyone is interested. Apache NF is closed as well.) They are not setting up an alternate location–they are going to refund camp fees and/or help the units look for another camp.

Rumor has it that Tonto NF may be closing as well, which is where the next-nearest scout camp is located (Geronimo). The next one after that is Raymond, and then the next closest one is in California (Mataguay). This poses a problem for our unit–we were planning on having leaders rotate in during the week–which is easy to do when camp is an hour away. When it's 4 hours to Geronimo or 7 hours to Mataguay that doesn't work nearly as easily.  So, the unit is still working out plans for what to do as far as camp goes.

So..I had another idea.  I have a nephew who is only a few months older than my son, who lives in Utah. He's in an LDS unit up there and they are going to 11 year old camp. Could my son attend with him? 

First–can he go to another council's camp with their unit(s)? or would he only be able to go during provisional troop camp?

Second–11 yo camp still does "trail to first class", but would it be similar enough to "count" down here in our council? I'm guessing there aren't huge differences but I don't know.

Third–my son will only be 10 still (Barely, he reminds me. He turns 11 in mid-July). Would this cause any kind of additional logistical problem?

Thanks for any input, we are obviously still working through these issues!

3:02 pm
June 13, 2011


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 596

Why are the camps being closed, forest fire concerns or something like that?

Normally you can send any boy to camp as a provisional. If you're talking about sending your son with your nephew's unit, the easiest way to know if this is okay is to talk to the unit leaders and see if they're willing to take him.

There's no national policy (nor would I imagine national ever making one) to make it more difficult for a boy to attend resident camp of some sort. Even as cub scouts, I've had boys who used to be in my unit but moved across state come back to attend as part of my unit.

The barely 11 thing would probably not be an issue so long as he meets all the joining requirements for boy socuts (10 years old and has earned Arrow of Light). However, LDS units sometimes operate differently. I had two boys who were 10.5 earn AOL and cross from a non-LDS pack to an LDS troop and they had to complete another year of Webelos essentially because of the way their units are set up (strictly by age I believe).

The camp counting between that council and your son's troop…I'm not sure what exactly you mean. Would it count as resident camp towards the 20 nights of camping requirement, or will the activities he'll be participating in count towards the requirements of Tenderfoot, 2nd & 1st Class ranks or merit badges? Should be yes, but I would talk to the SM beforehand to make them aware of the plans and make sure they're on board with everything. They may want to have the SM or ASM (or other designee) that your son is camping with to sign off in his handbook, so they may want them to not sign off in the book so the troop's SM can sign off. There's a proper method for handling that, I can't remember exactly but I'm sure Mr. Cleary could answer better.

Your safest bet is to talk to the leadership of both troops and make sure both are on board and there is a plan in place on how to handle things like advancements, merit badge work, etc.

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7:55 am
July 19, 2011


AmyS

Tucson, AZ

PTC Bear

posts 52

Thanks for your help guys–but we ended up not needing it. They rescheduled at a different camp (6 hours away instead of 1 hour) that wasn't closed due to fire danger. Our troop had a smaller contingent, probably–but they had a good experience out there. My son was really homesick the first 2 nights but improved as the week went on.

I went up Friday (camp ended Saturday) and stayed over to help haul kids/stuff home since one of the leaders had to leave earlier in the week. I got the grand tour and he was very excited to show me what he'd been working on. He finished most of 2 ranks except for Board of Review, earned 3 or 4 merit badges and got to shoot rifles.

My nephew wasn't that impressed with 11-year-old camp. Turns out it was daycamp for the first 2 days with an overnighter at the end. Yes, they did work on their trail to first class and a couple of merit badges but he was somewhat envious of my son's experience (especially since he wasn't even 11 when he got to go).

So, I think it all worked out for the best. It might be fun for them to go to camp together when they're a little older though–maybe my nephew could come down here instead!


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