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whats the best way to get involved in my sons troop?

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7:29 pm
November 1, 2010


Jeff

Sunny Florida

PTC Bear

posts 63

My son will be earning his AOL within the next 60 days and will cross over into a troop in the spring. in cubs, you always seem to be looking for adult volunteers, but the troop is not a boy-run group.

so what is the best way to be involved in the troop? (assuming they have the main positions filled and arent actively trying to recruit leaders) join the committee – just sit back and support my son – shoot for an ASM position – MBC?

i was a scout as a youth and was a leader in cubs (DL, CM) – part of me wants to get involved.

10:32 am
November 2, 2010


BigMc

Houston

PTC Tenderfoot

posts 244

Which part of you wants to get involved?  That should determine how you get involved.  I am a Committee Member, a MB councelor for 12 MBs, and extra seat belts on campouts.  I camp a couple of times a year which is a couple of times more than my 15 YO wants me to.  That said, we have an understanding and I make it a point to avoid him unless he approaches me.  I am not an ASM for the simple reason that I am a Webelos leader with a year and change to go and did not feel I could do justice to either position if I took more on.  That's the same reason I turned down CC earlier this year.  I will revisit my Troop role once my younger son bridges and I know what Troop he is going to join.  And yes, despite the convenience of them being in the same troop, I do not have a vote in where he goes (unless the drive makes me veto the decision.)

I would ask the Committee Chair and the SM what they need most. After you have those answers, think about what would best suit your desires.  Personally, I would then talk with my Webelos and see if he has any preferences.  If he doesn't want you to take a huge role, then being an ASM may not be what you want to start out doing. 

At a minimum, I do not know a single troop that is overrun with MB councelors, so sign up to cover some.  The CC can tell you what they already have covered, but you also need to ask what is covered by parents with older Scouts that may age/Eagle out in the near-term.

Kevin Mc.
ScoutMaster – Troop 1865;
Copperhead District;
Sam Houston Area Council;
Houston, TX;
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8:44 am
November 3, 2010


Jeff

Sunny Florida

PTC Bear

posts 63

i would be involved however needed. ASM is not a role i would shy away from. i think since he is not yet in the troop, i was trying to see what roles are needed at the troop level. in cubs, you grab anyone you can get – but the adults are running the show. done correctly, this is not the case for the troop. i think i want to see how the troop is run to find the best fit. maybe i am trying to be too prepared for this transition.

MBC – i have a few in mind from the start.

seat belts. though my car has 4 – the back seat of a mustang is nowhere to be sitting – especially since i am 6'2" and my seat almost touches the rear seat. :) – ok – maybe 3 can sit in there if my son doesnt grow too much too soon.

committee seems like a logical start and who knows, i may find that being a MBC is the perfect fit for what i want to do.

thanks for the input.

1:14 pm
November 3, 2010


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

As a Scoutmaster of 120 (that means 240 adults) I tell my adults this if they want to be involved:

1. Show up

2. Introduce yourself to the SM and CC

3. WATCH!

4. Come to a few Troop meetings and Campouts

5. See where you are needed / what you want to do

6. Get trained

We generally ask new parents to take it easy those first 6 months.  Let the Webelos to Boy Scout transition take place in both the Scout and the adult.  By camping with us, attending meetings and generally watching how the Troop operates they will better get a sense of what Adults do in the Troop and what Scouts do and then can jump into a leadership role.

Many a time where former Webelos leaders jump in right away and then a new patrol ends up being a Webelos 3 group or there is conflict between the SPL/SM and the new adult in 'how it should be done'.  This way really eliminates that while being welcoming to new parents.  Give it a try, it works for us.

YIS
Bryan

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

1:16 pm
November 3, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

I have to comment in the only way that I know how…

Don't…

Troops always need help, but the first thing that I noticed about your post is that you said that this is not a boy-run group.

RED FLAG!…if you want to keep attached to your son, and like the idea of Webelos III, Webelos IV and so-on and so-forth, then this may be the troop for you and your son.

Boy Scouts are just that….scouting for boys, and it's a game made to be played by boys. Any unit that isn't boy-led, well, isn't a true troop. It's not me saying so, it's the way the program was made…

Now, unless I am understanding something wrong in your first post, then by all means, I apologize…but from what I gather, I am not.

Anyways, if you truly want to help your son, then find him a troop that is boy-led, adult-supervised, not adult-led.

You and your son are ready to embark on a great journey, with only a destination that your son should ultimately decide where he wants to go. The first thing is to find what he wants, then go from there. If you are truly headed to a troop that is "Webelos III", then by all means, go for it. I would have nothing further to say.

If you want the best program for your son, then help him find one…and then you will find a better niche for yourself.

Trust me…I'm a Scoutmaster Wink

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

1:26 pm
November 3, 2010


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

I will second Shawn's post. 

My reply works in a Scout-run Troop.  Adult-run troops are not Scouting as it should be.

If you are for a Scout-run program and join an adult-run troop you are asking for trouble, heartache, and eventually leaving Scouting. 

If you can, visit several Troops in your area.  We are blessed with 6 in my town.  Don't feel you need to attend the Troop your Pack 'feeds'.  Our District did away with feeder packs, anyone can go anywhere and it created an incredible Scouting area with dozens of Troops of all types (most Scout-run) and sizes from 25 to 120…find yours, and by yours I mean your son's ;)

YIS
Bryan

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

8:53 pm
November 3, 2010


Jeff

Sunny Florida

PTC Bear

posts 63

i must have mis-typed something :) what i meant by my statement was boy scout troops are boy run. they are not like cub groups where we have to beg for help and leaders…. maybe i should take a step back before posting.. i swear it made sense to me when i was typing it :)

i do not want a web 3 or 4 den at all…

9:04 pm
November 3, 2010


Jeff

Sunny Florida

PTC Bear

posts 63

fortunately we have a decent number of troops within 20 minutes of the house. he has gone to the webelos woods events at district roundtable and has a good idea of what the different troops do and do not do. now he is at the point of making his final decisions and going to the different troop meetings/events. i know how much better a boy run group is as that is how my troop was run.

sorry for the confusion – YIS
jeff

8:34 am
November 4, 2010


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

Jeff,

Thanks for the clarification.

Then my original post stands. Watch and learn and see where you fit in. Most importantly get trained!!!!

Good luck and thank you for stepping up in your son's Troop!

YIS
Bryan

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

8:44 am
November 4, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

Thanks for the clarification, Jeff…whew…I thought that we almost had a "PTC Intervention" down south. We would have had to scramble the jets, put the Special Forces team on high alert…ya know, all the usual "Scouting Emergency" stuff…

OK, so we are at the original question…what position to take?

Simple…whatever you want. Kevin and Bryan hit all the good points, so I don't really have anything to elaborate on. Personally, take no positions right away, and see what may look like a weakness, and then talk to the SM or CC if that's something that needs to be addressed.

Look to see what your son gravitates to…he may want to shoot for the top dog right away (SPL) or play it low-key (nothing). The best thing to do for him is to encourage him in the things that he may want to do.

Maybe your calling isn't on the unit level…maybe it's a district or council gig for ya…just sayin'

Laugh

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

9:55 am
November 4, 2010


Jeff

Sunny Florida

PTC Bear

posts 63

thanks for the input and for the willingness for an intervention – though i dont think its needed (yet) :)

its funny because i am currently listening to the SMM show #64 talking about 'boy scout stuff' and this topic was coming up. i would admittedly put myself in the energized scouter category of wanting to be involved. not because i want to keep a tie with my son – but because i want to make the program the best it can be. sure we all want good ties with our kids, but it is nice to see them go forth on their own.  if my job doing that is being a seatbelt and mentor – then thats what i will do. if i am needed as an ASM, then i am ready.

my scout is very ready to go to the troop – enough so that he told me last night that he would rather cross over to a troop than do pinewood derby this year. (and he has ALWAYS been excited about derby – so much so that he asks for kits for christmas so he can build and design multiple cars).

as an aside, whenever i have done college campus recruiting for my company, when i see eagle on the resume, they get an auto pass to the next interview.

10:27 am
January 20, 2011


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

So Jeff how did it go (or is going?)

 

After rereading this thread, a little expansion:

I say wait to get involved because of the transition factor.  The Scouts are usually ready to be free of the bonds of parents :)  It is usually the parents that have a hard time letting go.  By jumping right in it could cause some program damage and make Scouting a chore for some.

We actually, physically, separate the parents and Scouts those first few meetings and campouts.  For the Meetings all new Adults must attend the new adult meetings: we cover similar things the Troop Guides are going over with the new Scouts in their Patrol Meetings but we also cover finances, volunteer needs, camperships, medical forms, releases, etc.  On the campout not only do we camp one site over but we hold a Training that keeps them occuppied and away from the Scouts.  When the training is over the parents come out and see that while it might be organized chaos, everyone still has all fingers and toes and they didn't go all "Lord of the Flies" while the adults were away…although there was that one time a Scout took a rocket to the face…but that is a story for another time :)

 

YIS
Bryan

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

1:33 pm
February 15, 2011


Jeff

Sunny Florida

PTC Bear

posts 63

its funny you just responded since – my son recently joined a troop and i have been 'tapped in' to the committee… and by just, i mean hung up the phone 30 minutes ago. :)

 

the good thing about committee is that most all of my work is behind the scenes. so except for showing up in the tan shirt, i dont have to be right there with my son. he chose a great young troop that has about 30 active scouts. and, being young, theres a lot that people are learning and theres a great group of adults on the committee who are interested in supporting the program and not making it webelos 3.

as of right now – i am going to be used on the committee as an equipment coordinator. so i am starting to read up on that position. like i said earlier, the troop is young – so they have just started to accumulate equipment and this position hasnt been used yet. any thoughts on this would be appreciated… well – ill start another thread for that :)

YIS,

Jeff


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