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11:04 am November 17, 2010
| Scouter Warren
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Just a general question regarding family camping with your cub scout packs. There is no min. temperature for camping with cub scouts. There is no 'winter camping' but no specific guidelines as to the min. temperature. I realize that the temperatures would vary across the country as 35F would be COLD in Florida but wouldn't be considered cold in northern Minnesota.
Just wondering what the lowest temperature camping that you have either taken your Pack or would consider taking your pack camping.
Thanks!
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11:37 am November 17, 2010
| Cubmaster Chris
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The lowest temp we've ever gone camping with the Cubs in Texas is 18. It was too cold for us.
The most important thing to remember is that these young boys are building habits for when they get older. Do you want to turn them off of camping by having them freeze their butts off? One bad experience may be enough to put them off of camping forever.
I'm not saying that it should be room-temperature perfect, but remember, the most important thing is that the boys can look back positively on their experience.
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10:53 am November 18, 2010
| Scouter Warren
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I'm with you on the 'experience'. We went camping on what was supposed to be a low of 40F night when it turned out to be 30F where we were. I am guessing there was just a difference between where the temp is measured for the weather and the actual temps in the woods which can be cooler. And, I was cold. The boys didn't seem to mind, they were just happy to be outside in the woods. Not sure about the parents though….
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11:43 am November 18, 2010
| smwalker_oh
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| PTC Star Scout | posts 596 |  
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Doing a search on Google for "cold weather camping site:scouting.org" gives you a result that has the course overview for the cold weather camping training that goes along with Okpik. From that page it seems to say in general that anything under 50 degrees should be treated as cold weather camping.
We do a cold weather campout with our pack each year and get a heated sleeping facility for them to sleep in, but outdoors it is usually below freezing. It is usually very well attended and one of our most liked events each year. Proper planning and making sure all attendees bring appropriate attire is key…plus sleeping in a heated lodge vs. outside in tents helps as well!
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4:50 pm November 18, 2010
| SM Shawn
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The same here as with Scott…Our pack does a winter camp, where we rent a heated-building, and get a pretty good turnout for it. Polar Bear camping is offered, but we don't set up any rules or guidelines when it comes down to it. If any parents ask about sleeping outside, I offer any of my expertise or "lack of it"…I tell them that common sense rules but give these pointers.
1.) Get as much insulation between you and the ground…the cold doesn't travel to you body, the heat leaves your body. No air mattresses, closed cell foam, preferably a couple of inches. Carpet pad will work also, and you can cut it to fit the entire tub of your tent.
2.) NO COTTON! – Cotton kills…it absorbs moisture, and moisture looses it's heat and well, you get the point. Poly pro undies, and fleece clothing. Hats on the head.
3.) Get a 0 degree bag, and then make it warmer…use a sheet or fleece blanket on the inside…helps with the "R-Value"
4.) Get something in your belly before you turn in…fats are good in this case. Chances are, during the day, you burned more 2-3 times as many calories than normal…get the calories back in, and stoke your internal furnace with some cheese and sausage.
5.)Get used to peeing in a bottle…you don't want to get up in the middle of the night to pee…you will lose all the insulating value you built up all night.
6.) Hot water bottles…get the Nalgene bottles…you can pour boiling water in them and they won't melt or crack. stuff that at the end of your bag…warm feet all night.
7.) Sleeping clothes…don't wear the same clothes that you wore all day to sleep in that night. Your body dirt will absorb moisture, and well…see suggestion #2.
Just some of my thoughts…
But in the same breath, there isn't anything wrong with doing everything else but sleeping outdoors.
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7:57 pm November 21, 2010
| Jeff
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we camped at disney when it rained the first night and the cold front that brought the rain brought 30 degree temps the next night. and we surely fall into the "florida – anything below 50 is cold" category. though it was a little rough – most all the kids LOVED it – but they also had the gear for it. several had the hand warmers that they used and hot chocolate was flowing freely. my kids LOVED it and we found that when our tent had the rain fly closed it kept a TON of heat in. it also helped that it was in the 60s the next day and we wouldnt have had as much fun if it was like you yankee campers where the low is 30 and the high is 34 :)
granted a few got cold and packed up in the middle of the night – but an overwhelming majority stayed.
one thing that was nice – their bathrooms – even at the campsites are nicer than many hotels. they are also heated (floors and heaters) and have excellent hot water.
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8:26 pm November 23, 2010
| ScouterAdam
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I did winter camping on Outward Bound in Minnesota. Man that was fun. But that was in high school.
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3:46 pm November 27, 2010
| AmyS
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We did our fall campout in October, thinking it would be warmer than last year's November date. It was probably about 35 degrees both Friday and Saturday nights, and maybe 55 or 60F during the day. A little chilly for most of our families!
I woke up at 6AM Sunday morning and saw more than one family snoozing sitting up in their minivan with the heater running.
We'll keep the October date for next year but try something a little lower elevation–this site was about 8000 feet above sea level (our valley floor here is about 2000). We also try to keep our campsites within a 90 min. drive of home, so people can head out and sleep in their own beds after the evening activities if they so choose. We have several families with babies and toddlers who prefer to just come out for the day anyway.
The main problem is–no matter how much you tell people to prepare, tell them how to prepare, what to bring and what to wear–someone's going to show up in T-shirt and jeans and try to sleep in 35 degrees in a bag meant for indoor slumber parties.
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7:08 am November 29, 2010
| Scouter Warren
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From reading your other post, it looks like you had a good time which is the important part. Our group had a good time as well.
As much as it may hurt… camping ain't for everyone, especially 'cold' (honestly it wasn't THAT cold) camping ain't for everyone. With that in mind, I think our planning for next year will cut camping to above 50F temps at night. The worst thing would be for our new scouts/families to go out camping the first time, get cold, be miserable and never camp again.
At least for cub familiy camping, the point would really be to introduce the kids/families to camping and to help them find out how much fun camping can be.
As yes, there will always be at least one family that isn't prepared for the cold with the slumber party sleeping bags. No matter how many times and ways you tell them.
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10:49 pm January 1, 2011
| AmyS
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Yeah, it was kind of funny, I have one photo of one of the teenage sibs wearing shorts and a skinny little t-shirt, eating breakfast next to one of the moms wearing a parka and a fur hat.
We did have one family that had never been camping before. They borrowed a tent and sleeping bags but turns out they didn't have any pads to sleep on–they were one of the families keeping warm in the minivan! They said they had a good time, though, and we promised them a warmer campout in the spring.
The campsite had a couple of outlets which meant keeping hot water on hand all the time was super easy (we have a big electric kettle) and I think that made a difference–if someone wanted tea or hot cocoa it was on hand.
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1:35 pm February 23, 2011
| smwalker_oh
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At a University of Scouting back in early 2007 I took a really good course on Cold Weather camping and just recently came across the PDF handout they had. Figured I would share it.
http://dl.dropbox.com/u/105592…..andout.pdf
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PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator
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6:59 pm March 2, 2011
| MISS Liberty
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Plastic nut cans (the large kind you get from wholesale warehouse places like Sam's Club, Costco, etc.) work very well for moms so they don't have to trek to the porta-potty at night.
Just saying.
(Aww… yeah… The MISS Show FTW!) ;)
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