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1:25 pm
November 10, 2009
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walters
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This issue has come up in an interesting way in my pack, and I'm curious what others are doing.
Talking about the boys sharing a tent with one other boy from their den instead of their parents. This is a family campout where all the boys (and some siblings) are being brought by their parents, who will be staying the whole time.
When do you "permit" this? When do you "expect" this? When do you "require" this?
I'm pretty new to all this, but I think my answers would be "any time they are ready", "roughly Webelos I", and "never".
What do you think?
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4:50 pm
November 10, 2009
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smwalker_oh
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Those are the same answers I'd give – when they're ready to / around the time they're Webelos / Never Required.
On our family campouts we usually have one of those great big tents that have have the square footage of my house that 10 or so boys will stay in and the parents will have tents to themselves. Those who don't want to stay like that don't have to, they can stay in their tent with their parent(s) or in some cases some boys bring their own small tents and want to sleep in it by theirself – usually the Webelos I or II boys in those instances. It works pretty well.
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7:56 pm
November 10, 2009
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mbeyke
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I will have to agree except that when the Webelos go camping without the rest of the Pack, they have to share a tent with another scout. If there is a problem (sick, homesick) we allow them to tent with their parent (which means that the adult they were sharing a tent with has to find somewhere else to sleep) but we try to talk them out of it. They won't be able to do this when they become Boy Scouts.
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11:02 am
November 11, 2009
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Scouter_Garry
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After years of camping with my family, i'd have to say it depends on the family, how the tents are pitched, and the boys involved. Back when my children were young all under 5-6, we bought the chateau model tent. I have been down sizing ever since.
We first split when my son was 5-6 into two tents. We bought the 3man originally because only the two of us men went on a men's only camping trip. Then we were happy we did the next year we we started having "adopted scout sons" going with us.
When My daughters turned 5-6 we split again, as they weren't comfortable changing in the tent daddy was sleeping in. That puts us in two 4 man and a 3 man tent. The chateau has been retired.
As far as set up goes we currently setup the parent's tent and the girls tent with about 15" between them. My son is allowed some more privacy by setting up a few feet away. We don't worry about him as he is a deep sleeper and goes to sleep quickly once settled for the night.
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5:00 pm
November 14, 2009
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SM Shawn
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walters said:
This issue has come up in an interesting way in my pack, and I'm curious what others are doing.
Talking about the boys sharing a tent with one other boy from their den instead of their parents. This is a family campout where all the boys (and some siblings) are being brought by their parents, who will be staying the whole time.
When do you “permit” this? When do you “expect” this? When do you “require” this?
I'm pretty new to all this, but I think my answers would be “any time they are ready”, “roughly Webelos I”, and “never”.
What do you think?
The only thing to make sure of, is, the only adults sleeping in the tent with a boy is mom or dad…otherwise steer clear of any combination of anything else, i.e., two den mates and one of the boy's fathers…
There is nothing wrong with 5 scouts in a 3 man tent, as long as they are safe and happy….
And if there is doubt, refer to the Guide to Safe Scouting….
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11:39 am
November 27, 2009
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Scouter Doug
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Agree with SM Shawn. Last year we had a Scout that wanted to camp but both parents were occupied over the weekend (one working the other at a siblings recital.) My son and the other Scout took one tent and I had the other (unfortunately a very leaky tent at that.) One other thing to keep in mind is that the guidance from our district was that if a Scout was coming without parents there had to be one parent assigned to him as "caretaker" and he couldn't be under just the care of "the Pack."
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6:25 pm
November 29, 2009
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mbeyke
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I thought that the BSA guidlines were that cubs had to have a parent or guardian with them camping unless they were webelos at a council event. That is the rule in our council.
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God Bless, nMark L. Beyken"Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words!" St. Francis of Assisi
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12:34 am
November 30, 2009
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crminniear
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When a cub scout comes under the care of someone who is not normally their guardian, if they have a letter signed from their parents designating that person as their guardian for the campout, that suffices any legal obligation. We've only had to do this a few times, and I make sure the parent uses the phrase "act as guardian" in some form in the permission letter. I have also only seen this where the scout came with another scout's parent where they are all family friends. I try to discourage leaders from volunteering to act as the designated guardian (just a personal thing there).
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9:24 am
December 2, 2009
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smwalker_oh
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crminniear said:
I try to discourage leaders from volunteering to act as the designated guardian (just a personal thing there).
I forbid it. The leaders have enough of a job dealing with the group as a whole and also their own kid, having them be personally responsible for another one is too much.
If the parent of a boy wants to sign over guardianship of their son to another family from their den or the pack for an event, I'll allow it is they give me a copy of the signed agreement and the parent understands that for all intensive purposes they've just given legal custody of their son to this other person and that person does not need to call them to ask about what they want done in situation x, y or z, but I really dislike using this loophole and generally try to discourage the practice altogether whenever possible.
And even when we have this happen there is absolutely no way in heck that the boy is sharing sleeping quarters (tent) with that adult.
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8:25 pm
December 2, 2009
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crminniear
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SMWalker said:
And even when we have this happen there is absolutely no way in heck that the boy is sharing sleeping quarters (tent) with that adult.
Oh, absolutely. Had to lend my spare tent to a parent who didn't fully understand that part (mind you, gave him a bigger tent – and probably slept better too  )
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