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11:17 pm January 18, 2010
| coopdad
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Gang, new to your site after finding your great podcasts!
Anyway, I am looking for websites/books/etc. that will help me come up with Den meeting programs.
The problems I am trying to work around:
1. my boys attend an EXCELLENT school so doing just about any academic program has be done in class and much better than I could ever do
2. our meetings are now an hour and a half twice a month (an experiment this year)
So, I am looking for FUN things that last for a while. I do have the Program Helps book but I am looking for more step by step than the book suggests "make a chart".
Thank you sooooo much!
John
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John Goethert – Wolf den leader (Den 2), Pack 926 Toqua District – The Episcopal School of Knoxville
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1:13 pm January 19, 2010
| Kris
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Welcome John!!!
Not to point out the obvious, but you've found PTC! Your GOLDEN!!! (LOL) I've taken so much from ALL of the contributors at PTC and much of it is based on experience rather than the written word. Now, each unit/den is individual and has it's own dynamics that always have to be considered but being able to think outside the box is a big help!! Even if it's just taking a "simple" idea and expanding on it.
Now, to directly answer your question….sorta. We have a large den that meets for 90 min every other week. What he does to keep them engaged & interested is that he breaks them up into smaller, shorter activities. This works for both the size of the den and the length of the meeting. He's lucky enough to have VERY active parents and 3 assistants so they all take turns running different activities. One of the meetings that I sat in on he was working on achievements. One group was working on flag raising protocols (he had made a special flag pole so they could work inside!), another group was playing skill games and the third was writing letters or family trees (can't remember which). He had a parent watching the clock and at a certain mark the boys switched up. Then at the end of the meeting they regrouped and worked on their skit for the upcoming Pack Meeting.
The boys were so busy they didn't even realize that they had just spent 90 min at cub scouts! And they all seemed to have alot of fun.
So, I'd say break it up. Do several "little" projects to keep them on their toes. They don't even have to be all on the same achievement or work together well. I personally would stay away from longer projects/activities. Studies show that the attention span of an average cub scout is between 7 & 12 minutes so you really need to be on your toes!
Good luck and feel free to throw up your hands with any questions!!!!
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4:38 pm January 19, 2010
| SM Shawn
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Just a couple of passing thoughts…
Depending on the age of your scouts, 1 1/2 hour meetings are typically best for Webelos…not a rule, just a guideline. Tiger, Wolf and Bear Scouts just don't seem to have the longevity to last that long…you may want to think about cutting that time down.
As for the academic and sports beltloops, watch what they do in school…that program is designed to play off of what they are doing/working on in school, so by them going to school, they are earning beltloops….
There are a ton of activities, too many to list…
thanks…
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6:06 pm January 19, 2010
| coopdad
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Thanks for the help guys.
I should have elaborated more before about den but I assume too much info might be distracting. Anyway…
My Wolf den is 3 regulars with up to 5 boys possible. While the meeting is technically 1.5 hours our actual meeting time is only about 45 minutes (after pack-related stuff: flag ceremony, snack, announcements, late folks, etc.).
And yes, about I have figured out in the past year of being a den "leader" is:
1. never have a fast exciting game at the beginning. I have trouble getting them calmed down to focus for program.
2. have three things to be worked on: a initial (calming down) talk (learn what's new, any advancements/electives earned, etc.), a main program, and a game at the end.
3. make the parents or even other boys be in charge of doing at least one meeting.
4. always have a puzzle, word find, etc. handy before meetings
5. crafts are very calming as a main program
So, that is where I am. Trying to find fun things or different ways to do things like emergency number charts and chores charts.
Thanks again,
John
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John Goethert – Wolf den leader (Den 2), Pack 926 Toqua District – The Episcopal School of Knoxville
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8:24 am January 20, 2010
| mbeyke
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John,
Two sites that have helped me as a Den Leader are:
http://www.buckeyescouts.org/b…..ckets.aspx
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http://usscouts.org/usscouts/bbugle.asp
They both will give you songs, cheers, crafts, games, food, and ideas that are theme related to the month.
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God Bless, nMark L. Beyken"Preach the Gospel at all times. If necessary, use words!" St. Francis of Assisi
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4:20 pm January 27, 2010
| MISS Liberty
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You sound like you're well on your way. MISS Kris already said pretty much what I would have said. When I was den leader, I stuck to once a week, one hour meetings, but two of our current den leaders are cramped for time and thus have 90 minute meetings twice a month as you do. They have several smaller activities – and sometimes even stations so that different boys are working on different things at the same time and get some very focused adult supervision while working on them.
As Mark mentioned, Baloos Bugle is a fabulous resource.
For craft and project ideas, I often head to http://www.makingfriends.com/ for ideas and even materials (though I feel inclined to warn you that it often takes them awhile to ship things out, so if you do order through them, order well in advance!) A lot of the stuff there is a bit too "girly" for my tastes (ha! the irony!) but there are some good ideas to get your creative juices flowing. I loved the "What's for Dinner" pictures found here: http://www.makingfriends.com/dinner.htm and we made use of them when our Wolves discussed healthy food options, the food pyramid, food planning, etc. We played around with the paper food for awhile then moved to the kitchen to actually make stuff. Good times.
I really love the ideas here: http://www.e-scoutcraft.com/ – though some felt a little outdated when I did the den leader gig. (Truthfully, I haven't been a den leader in a long while nor used the site in awhile so it may be different, now.)
There was a man named Bill Smith who was a Roundtable Chairman who had a TON of stuff up on his site, but his site seems to be defunct now, sadly. There are probably dozens of other sites that have Round Table publications, so check those out. They probably won't step-by-step plan meetings you'd be satisfied with, but they'll get your juices flowing and you'll be able to adapt things to suit your needs.
Do you have a How-To book? There are great project ideas in there.
I often would find project ideas by doing 'net searches related to the monthly theme and then the grade level for the boys… for example: "earth friendly projects for third graders", or "circus crafts for second grade" – I realize that'll eat up a lot of time, but for me it's generally just a matter of getting some base ideas and then making them my own.
Enjoy your Wolf Den!
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11:07 am January 28, 2010
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I think Bill's site got moved. I'll try to find it for y'all. Steve and Insanescouter might remember though 'cause I saw some discussion on the yahoo groups.
With Tigers, I'd lose my mind with a 90 minute meeting, and somehow I'm not sure next year will be better. They just can't stay on task that long. Our meeting starts at 6pm. The gathering activities and book check-in can start at 5:45pm for families who want to arrive early. The den meeting starts at 6pm. If the family is late, then the family is late. Perhaps because of my experience running social skills groups for kids with behavioral challenges, but I use an egg-timer for the boys. At 6pm, when my meeting starts, the timer is turned to 60 minutes. I have a game planned for the last 20 minutes, and remind the boys what we are learning about and doing and what game we'll be playing. Anticipation of the game and the timer counting down to the end, really helps them stay focused on the "boring" (i.e., talking and listening) parts of the meeting, like "What are some of the special things you did with your family over Christmas break?" or the introduction to the food pyramid.
We don't do belt loops within the meetings although we've worked on components of them during the Go-See-Its. However, during the first part of the meeting, if a boy has something belt-loop related to share, he gets to show off his project or new information. I do hand out the belt loop work sheets from MacScouter when I think the belt loop is relevant to what they are learning in school or it will be tying into scouts. For example, 5 of my 7 Tigers were on a school soccer team this fall, so I handed out the worksheet, and all 5 completed the BL. Most of my Tigers have 4 Belt Loops at this point.
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MISS Emily, Committee Chair and DL Pack 103, Atlanta, GA **A proud Mother in Scouting Service along with MISS Sonia, MISS Liberty, and MISS Shannon**
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11:26 am January 28, 2010
| Scouter Jeff
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Hi John (and everyone)!
Bill Smith's new site can be found at: http://rt492.org/index.html
This site, along with Baloo's Bugle and PTC Media are the 3 best sites out there for good Scouting help! (At least in my opinion).
Good luck to you!
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- Scouter Jeff
Assistant Scoutmaster, District Trainer
http://thetrainerscorner.wordpress.com/
Twitter: Scouter Jeff
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