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2:43 am
January 27, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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Hi everyone,
I am a new CC in a new pack. There is so much out there to help leaders but at the same time I feel over taken by it all. I have learned in my short time with the BSA that other leaders are the very BEST sources for information.
We as pack admin. have had a rough road, but we must be doing something right because we have doubled our numbers. The boys are having a good time and some of our biggest people against us has now said that he sees the difference in the boy that we serve. Wow now that is better than anything that the BSA could ever give me.
I guess the reason for my post is I was wondering what peace of advice would you give to a new pack just starting out?
Thanks for your time. Cool

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

3:52 pm
January 27, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

The boys are having fun?  You're doubling your numbers?

Yer doin' it.

My advice is simply this: Follow the Guide to Safe Scouting, have fun, make sure it's about the boys. 

Other than that?  GO TO TRAINING. Then go to more training.  Then get someone you know in your unit to go to training with you.  Not because you have to, but because it's fun and reinvigorates your passion for Scouting and gives you great networking opportunities.  Start with the basics online, then go to a district or council training.  If you've got a good Round Table in your area – GO.  If you have the time and money to go to Wood Badge – GO.  Definitely hit Pow Wow, University of Scouting, etc. 

Oh, and listen to the shows here at PTCMedia. ;)

You're doing fine, Nancy.  Just take deep breaths and enjoy the ride.  Being new is fun and exciting, and even though it can be stressful, it's well worth the journey.

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

7:45 am
January 29, 2010


BigMc

Houston

PTC Tenderfoot

posts 244

Post edited 12:47 pm – January 29, 2010 by BigMc


Training is a must – you will learn things to do you didn’t think of and you will establish a local network of Scouters that you can use as resources. 

Learn what your area has to offer and utilize it.  Here in Houston, the museums, zoo, local community college, NASA and various interest groups offer classes geared towards Scouts.  Given your location, it will take a little planning, but see if the Wichita Thunder will teach the Hockey belt loop and pin in the off season.  See if one of the colleges can get a few players to come out and teach another sports belt loop (or twelve).  The Sedgwick County Zoo offers overnight opportunities – see if they will set a night just for Scouts and adapt the program to addreess Cub Scout requirements (we’re going to the Zoo in 3 weeks to do Bear Achievement 5).    Same thing for the museums – if they don’t have a program, see if they will start one.  WARNING – if you go this route, tap a parent who has “drunk the kool-aid” to make the contacts and set things up – or at least help.  See if someone in the Pack already has a membership to one of these places and put them in charge of organizing that one.   Get Scouters from other Packs to back you up.

Always have a back-up plan or seven.  My den meeting last night was going to be outside, but with rain in the forecast, I went to plan B.  When a certain scout whom I needed at the meeting in order to complete the agenda didn’t show up, I was at plan C.  The good news was that we got out early, because plan C wasn’t as involved as A or B.

Don’t sweat the small stuff.  When (not if) something goes wrong, learn from it and move on.  See the comments from the AHAW #211 where several of us mention the fact the CM Chris talks about those times in his show.  And remember – it is all small stuff.  I vaguely remember the fiascos from my scouting days, but definitely remember the great times.

Finally and most importantly, have fun.  If you aren’t having fun, the boys won’t either.  From popcorn sales, CM Chris took 23 shaving cream pies in November and I took 12 last Saturday.  The boys had fun, I had fun and one of the parents who says very little positive looked at me afterwards and said, “Kevin – you rock!”  Be goofy, be silly, and keep it Scout-centric.

And you're wrong – you don't need everything.  As MISS Liberty said – you’re doing something right or the boys wouldn't be having fun and you wouldn’t have doubled in size!

Kevin Mc.
ScoutMaster – Troop 1865;
Copperhead District;
Sam Houston Area Council;
Houston, TX;
Twitter TaxgeekKM

1:49 am
January 30, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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thank you guys.
My hubby (our Webelos leader) and I have taken all the training that we can. We had a good learning experience at POW WOW. We are now waiting on Council to organize BALOO and OWL. We have talked about going to Wood Bridge but can not afford it right now. I wish that some of the others would take it more seriously.
I am so glad that I found PTC because I have already learned a lot and love that I have a place where I can ask questions. Your all great to help newbies like me. Thanks again. WinkWink

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

12:07 pm
February 2, 2010


Scouter_Garry

SATX

PTC Boy Scout

posts 106

FYI… OWL, "Outdoor Leader Skills for Webelos Leaders", or whatever it is called in your neck of the woods is being replaced with the Boys Scout Leader level "Introduction to Outdoor Skills." IOS is probablly the better course to take. Many councils have been in the habit of wrapping BALOO and OWL into one neat little wrong package.

11:24 pm
February 2, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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Thanks for the FYI Scouter Garry

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

11:28 pm
February 2, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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NEW QUESTION!!!!

How does the whittling chip work? Is it really as simple as the requirement in the Bear book? Does the leader need to be BSA trained like BB Guns and Archery? If so what is it? What more do I need to know? Please help.

Thanks so much for all your input and advice.

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

6:13 am
February 4, 2010


BigMc

Houston

PTC Tenderfoot

posts 244

It is as simple as in the Bear book – no leader training required.  If you know any stories of how not to use a knife – that's even better.  True example:  When I was a Scout, we were getting ready to go on a campout and one of the older scouts was showing of his new sheath knife.  He accidentally dropped it and after picking it up, wiped the blade off on his pants leg.  He didn't go camping – he went to the hospital and got about 10 stiches.  The rest of us got to wait to leave until his parents showed up.  One suggestion:  Use plastic knives when teaching them the knife safety until they get comfortable using one.  That even works for the soap carving (although it won't be as nice if they use a real knife).  If I remember correctly, Ivory is the soap of choice since it is soft.

Kevin Mc.
ScoutMaster – Troop 1865;
Copperhead District;
Sam Houston Area Council;
Houston, TX;
Twitter TaxgeekKM

6:29 am
February 11, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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First off I have to say thank you so much to all that have taken the time to post and give advice, it has really helped.

I have a new question??….
Ok so how do you all do the checking account for your pack? I know that this can be a rather sensitive subject but it needs to be in the light and some real answers given. What I am really wanting to know is did you get tax exempt status from the IRS? Is it through the charter org.? How and where do I start?

I didn't think that this would be such a hard question but have not gotten any real answers from district or local level. Why is this a taboo subject? Please help.

Maybe AHAW or LCF could have a show on this subject and ask the treasurer to come and talk. Just a thought. Thanks for all you guys do.

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

6:36 am
February 11, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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Thanks BigMc for your post. I have looked into having a local man that has worked with other packs come in and show the boys a few things. The packs that I have talked to that have had him come in rave about him and the "class" that he teaches.
I don't know why I was trying to make it more difficult than it was. Thanks again

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

9:40 am
February 11, 2010


BigMc

Houston

PTC Tenderfoot

posts 244

Checking account protocol will vary by unit, but you should probably go with two signatures required.  Check thru the forums for several discussions (usually related to someone’s misdeeds so check the old AHAW show notes because Chris usually mentions these) about that and having a regular review of the finances by the Committee.

501(c)(3) tax exempt status.  Some units go through their charter organization others get their own.  Our Pack has its own id; our Troop uses the CO.  Why?  The Troop has a church as the CO and the Pack has the elementary school PTO.  The agreement between Council/District and the school district prohibits our using the tax-exempt id of either the school or the PTO. 

Personally, and I’m a tax guy, I would get one for the unit.  Technically, every fundraiser you do has to be included in the annual return the CO files with the IRS.  Depending on the size of the CO, you could cause them to file the long form which is much, much more painful to complete (and might irritate the CO).  Additionally, I think (and this is not my area of expertise so don't hold me to it) that there is a limit to the number of tax-free fundraisers you can have.  Yes, I know I'm probably giving some folks heartburn, but it beats a bad audit surprise!

Kevin Mc.
ScoutMaster – Troop 1865;
Copperhead District;
Sam Houston Area Council;
Houston, TX;
Twitter TaxgeekKM

2:22 am
March 10, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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Well here I am back writing another email to ask for advice on how to handle this situation that happened.
We have a 5th grade boy that started in December. He has a VERY bad reputation around our small town. I thought that if we could channel that energy then that would help him.
At our B&G this boys mother got in my face about her son not having a uniform like all of the other boys (have given her the information with no response) and that he was not getting any awards. (I tried to find something that I could give him something for). His den leader took her outside and explained to her that there is a weekly newsletter and that we had sent home lots of info on uniforms. She said that she didn't get any of it. He explained to her nicely that we are not a babysitting service and that if she didn't get the information that was her issue b/c if she picked up her son like we asked then she would. It is a good thing that he has taken this over b/c I don't know that I would have been so nice.
Today my hubby the Webelos den leader took the time to go to their house to talk to her and work things out. He talked with her step-father for an hour waiting for her to come out. She would not come out.
To be honest I am done with this hole thing. I don't know what we should to next. My commish is not wanting to give me advice or even talk to about it at all. My DE is on vacation.
So you and all at PTC have given me so much help that I thought that I would ask again.
Thanks

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

10:33 am
March 10, 2010


Scouter_Garry

SATX

PTC Boy Scout

posts 106

IMHO, If the boy is not causing problems in the Den, participating and having fun, your pack has had an impact on his life. Some would say your job was completed successfully.

This year we had 2 boys sign up in the 5th grade. At least one was already 11 by mid September. I explained to the parents that part of the 5th grade Webelos program would be visiting and selecting a troop that was right for them. I stated that to achieve the Arrow of light would be a hard hard road to hoe, but to enjoy the program. Also by staying with the pack until crossover the boys would be with their friends. This is often a key factor to success in the Boy scout program.

What we did for the boys not receiving an Arrow of Light Award, was to present them with a Certificate of Graduation from the Pack. One of the boys had not bothered to earn his bobcat, so I put his rank as cubscout on the graduation certificate.

As to what to do with this family now is Look to when the scout turns 11 and cross him over. What I hear is that his mom wants him recognized. So make sure that you give him a crossover ceremony and a certificate for something appropriate.

Last year we had a mother withdraw her son when he did not receive his Webelos badge with the other boys. He took the first two months of school to participate in Pop Warner Football and so missed out on the activity badges given during that time. We just we explained to all the parents that the boys would determine their success and speed at achieving their badge in Webelos. We just let her and her son leave, knowing that he would either come back or move on to sports which appeared to be his focus.

On the paperwork getting home side of things, We make a rule of not sending paperwork home with the boys. We hand it directly to the parents or email it to them.

In the end it is the mother's issue and decision if she wants the boy to stay involved. I give the paperwork to the step father or the mother directly, even if it took driving to their house . Let the rest wash off like water on the back of a duck.

1:08 pm
March 10, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

Post edited 6:09 pm – March 10, 2010 by SM Shawn


If you have rechartered them for the year, keep them on the mailing list and in the loop on everything that the pack and den are doing. If you have rechartered yet, then contact this mother, inform her that recharter is due, the fees are X amount, and you, as the CC, need to know if he is staying or going. Period. If she says that they are staying, then recharter them, but only after there a clear understanding between what is expected from the family, and what the unit will do for them.

Those understandings should fall somewhere along the lines of:

Uniforms – tell her to get to the scout shop, get a khaki shirt and put on the patches; you give her a uniform inspection sheet so she knows where they go

Awards – he earns them, not just gets a patch. If they choose not to participate, then so be it. It's the Den Leader's call to send out the materials, and as a 5th grader, it's OK to send that stuff home with the scout. A follow up email or phone call wouldn't hurt, in case you think that the boy is unreliable.

In a nutshell, keep the lines of communication open, and if needed, spell it out. Sometimes, people get mad as a defense to what they are really trying to say…"I don't understand, help me to understand."

If those lines can't be kept open, because of mom, well, then, there is nothing that you can do, except expect to hear about how bad the scouts are, from this mom.

And yea, I have been there, done that, and gotten the T-shirt…so I know what you are going through…

My CC is the same way, tries to save them all…you can't…it sucks, but you can't save them all…

Keep your chin up, you are doing the right thing, and hubby did, too…

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

1:37 pm
March 10, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

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Updates from us……
1. Training ~ well that is a sore subject but we are going to get new leader specific, BALOO, and OWL training this month and in May. We are having to go to another district but at this point that maybe a good thing.

2. The family that we are having a problem with is still refusing to talk with us but, we keep informing them of things going on in the pack. So I guess that is the important part. I know in my head that we can not "save" every boy but my heart tells me that we should try.

3. I can never say enough how much your taking the time to read and answer a question has made a real difference. I know that I can come to you all will anything I have on my mind and someone will be able to give some incite on it. Thanks so much to all of you. You have made me feel welcome and given me LOTS of great information.

Thanks
Nancy

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35

2:15 pm
March 10, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

"2. The family that we are having a problem with is still refusing to talk with us but, we keep informing them of things going on in the pack. So I guess that is the important part. I know in my head that we can not "save" every boy but my heart tells me that we should try."

That is the best that you can do…we have a family that is doing the same thing to us right now…we just keep them "in the know" with everything. If you don't hear from them, oh well…you did your part.

And…

You're welcome…that is what we are here for

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

9:08 am
March 17, 2010


MISS Liberty

California

Admin

posts 231

Post edited 1:08 pm – March 17, 2010 by MISS Liberty


Dear Nancy,

It sounds like y'all are handling things VERY well.

I'm really proud of all you're doing, Nancy.  For your unit and for the BSA in general. 

"[S]He attacked everything in life with a mix of extraordinary genius and naive incompetence, and it was often difficult to tell which was which." ~ Douglas Adams

11:19 am
March 17, 2010


CC Nancy

Severy, KS

PTC Bear

posts 74

https://twitter.com/#!/nnobles">

that is so cool THANKS! I needed that. So did my hubby Colby.

Committee Chairwoman for pack 35


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