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8:22 pm
June 19, 2010


Scouter Warren

NC

PTC Wolf

posts 34

I am looking for feedback on how your packs are run. Mainly on how they are organized or not organized.

The reason why I am looking for feedback is that I have been a DL for almost a year in a large pack. During this year I have spent most of the time wondering what in the world is going on at the pack level. Den level, we have it under control. Most events are planned months in advanced for our den. However, for the pack events, it seems we have little notice beforehand on what exactly is going to be done. For example, we just received information this past week on our summer activities. No word on what is going on next year. Should the DL be part of the planning? I would think so but…..

Please reply back with your feedback on how your packs are run and organized. Thanks so much!

Warren — Assistant Cubmaster

9:14 pm
June 20, 2010


Veretax

Hinton, WV

PTC Bear

posts 68

I would also be interested in hearing about this. Our pack only got started in February (technically march given the snowfall, and that's when I was officially on board.) We are a small pack , 1 Den of wolves, 2 of Tigers, and we try to communicate every meaning to the parents. We've had some stumbling blocks with that though. One tool we've begun to use, but I haven't pushed it enough yet is the use of a private email group and a google calendar to allow communication. Facebook was considered but given a few people aren't allowed to due to employment restrictions, we opted not to do that.

We are still just getting going though so i doubt this is Typical

10:25 am
June 21, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

Post edited 3:00 pm – June 21, 2010 by SM Shawn
Post edited 3:09 pm – July 29, 2010 by SM Shawn


As a den leader, you should have your finger on the pulse of what is going on in your pack. As a matter of fact, you are the pulse. Whatever your den wants to do, you should be convening that to the Cubmaster, who in turn should be taking that to the Committee to make sure that happens. The Committee Chair then makes it happen, making sure that the CC’s decision is inline with what the Charter Org has in mind.

Where is this spelled out? Everywhere…books from the scout shop, Roundtables, training and Cub Scout University/College/Pow-Wow…throw in the vast networking of scouters, and you have all your bases covered. There is a really good flowchart on the page. http://www.scouting.org/scouts…..ePack.aspx. Click on the different boxes there to get a description of what should be getting done and who should be doing it.

It sounds like there is a lack of training, and communication…those are usually the first signs when I see a question like this. It’s not a bad thing; there are remedies to help you out.

Allow me to get a tad long-winded…I try to throw out as much information as possible, without writing a novel, but sometimes, I go long.

There should be monthly planning meetings with the committee. Now as a DL, you are not a part of the committee, and hold no “vote”…you can attend to let the committee know what you and your den need, should the CM not be able to convey what you need. You also have every right to be there, and can ask for any meeting notes that come from it.

RED FLAG ALERT: If the pack isn’t holding monthly meetings, this is a red flag. Find out why they aren’t…if you can’t get a reason that you feel comfortable with, press the issue.

At each meeting, finances should be discussed…what you have, what you have spent, any expenses coming up. Then onto program and what is coming up…review the next couple of months activities, and make plans for events that are 8-12 months away…yes, that far. For example, our pack is planning winter camp for next year, already. We planned the camp that we go to this weekend, last summer. Getting the idea? Each unit should be having an ANNUAL planning conference, to plan out the WHOLE year…our rule is 6 months in stone, 3 months in pen, 3 months in pencil. We also make sure that we are on budget. The pack is funded via the scout’s accounts, which they replenish funds from our popcorn sale.

RED FLAG ALERT: If your unit doesn’t have a budget, find out why…it’s crucial for the success of your program and your unit.

I would ask that you make sure all leaders are trained…this helps everyone to understand what exactly is happening. It sounds like nobody is on the same page, maybe not even the same book. With training, you can at least be in the same book, and maybe the same page.

A lack of planning, to me, shows a lack of commitment…a lack of training shows a lack of commitment, a lack of budgeting shows a lack of commitment…sound familiar? One thing that I was taught in training, “was fail to plan, plan to fail”…sounds like you are on the right track, Warren, but the rest of the pack doesn’t…

I hope that some of this helps, there isn’t a cut and dried answer that I can give in this brief forum…You and I could get on Skype and talk for hours, and barely skim the surface…more feedback will come in this forum…Good Luck! Laugh

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3:13 pm
July 26, 2010


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

PTC Star Scout

posts 596

Totally agree with Shawn on this one. As both a Webelos Den Leader and the Committee Chair, I have spent several years trying to make sure that there is a great leadership structure in place in our Pack. When i joined as an Assistant Tiger Den Leader I was chartered as a Committee Member so that we'd have the required 3 to turn in a charter. That was a Red Flag. The Cubmaster, Assistant Cubmaster and Cubmaster's wife (all Den Leaders as well) were running everything. The Committee Chair was nonexistent and the Treasurer hadn't stepped foot in a Pack function in close to 5 years. The Cubmaster recruited me to replace him but the more I looked into what he did the more I realized we needed a committee. So instead I took over as Committee Chair and have spent close to 4 years trying to build a great leadership support structure.

We have deviated slightly from national's structure because it is slightly outdated. In their version, the Cubmaster and Den Leaders are the ones implementing 90% of the pack's program but have no "vote" on the Committee. In ours, all leaders have a say in what goes on and we all work as a team and the Cubmaster is considered a voting member of the committee.

We hold monthly leaders' meetings (note this does not say committee meetings) because we want all leaders to attend, give us input and help us make the right decisions moving forward. Each year in the summer we hold the annual pack program planning meeting where we plan (including dates and several details) the entire following program year. (For example, we did this last month and this Saturday we're having the review/approval meeting which if approved will generate the calendar for our families so they know what is coming up from September 1, 2010 through August 31, 2011.)

The difference between a pack with a loosey-goosey style of throwing things together at the last minute and a pack with lots of help (we currently have around 20 leaders for a 40 boy pack) that plans ahead and prepares is very easy to spot. The ones that plan ahead and have lots of step up leadership are the ones with the happy, smiling boys covered in bling. :)

I've attached a copy of our Pack Leadership Structure document. It isn't the most current version (I'm at work and that file is at home), but the only changes made were the names of current leaders so the content is pretty much the same.

PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator

6:17 pm
July 26, 2010


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

While we are not in the same situation, we are coming out of a year that I was the Cubmaster and worked to make changes. The old CM went to CC as I took CM. The Treasurer took over the CC position and we have a new Tresurer. We all should be in office till 2013. We are all learning.

Last year was a learning curve, this year we are emerging way better situated. The Pack Committee/Den Leaders are on board and have more understanding. Our monthly Committee meetings are generally for all. We all have an equal voice, which is different from other Packs. Since I am the one who has been sucked into Scouting more, I have more info about how things are supposed to be done, I generally pontificate the BSA Standards.

So, we go by majority votes for. If someone has an idea, they float it and we see how to impliment it.

We/I am working to get away from spontanious meeting ideas and working them into planning sessions way before they happen. This year so far, the CC has become the point person to help impliment Summertime Pack Events and other items. DLs step up and make things happen. This year, we are going after the Parents to help out on one item or two. If they want to do more, we will take it.

Overall, I think that anyone who wants to be involed at any level should be allowed to, unless they are a negitive impact on the Pack/Den.

Also, REWARD EVERYONE WHO DOES SOMETHING! It's not just the boys who like rewards! Make it fun!Laugh

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

8:53 pm
July 28, 2010


Scouter Warren

NC

PTC Wolf

posts 34

Thanks so much for all your insights. We have visited other packs and have thought about changing packs. But, in the end we have decided to stay with our current pack at least another year. My sons friends are there and things can only get better. There are several 'red flags' in our pack but membership is growing. Unfortunately volunteers aren't. Our CM and ACM did most of the heavy lifting last year. Now that I am a 'seasoned veteran' with one year's experience in leadership, I am trying to step into the ACM position next year. My big issue is with planning. Our 'summer' schedule wasn't finalized until mid-June. There still isn't a schedule for the 2010-2011 year. While I guess this works for some, it doesn't for me. I need planning, keeps me sane.

Last year our 'leaders' meeting was a monthly committee meeting that no one went to. The biggest problem was that it was during our den meetings which are all at the same time at our chartered org. Well, needless to say I never attended or knew about them for that matter since I was busy with the boys in our den meetings as a DL. That will change this year and we will have leaders meetings once every two months, much to the dismay of a few of the leaders claiming they didn't have time. It is a start anyway.

Thanks again and feel free to add to the discussion!

Warren — Assistant Cubmaster

12:29 pm
August 1, 2010


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

Warren:
If your stepping up into the ACM…then take the reins and start planning. First, I highly recomend that you go to WOOD BADGE. You will learn so much. (Check out Scoutermaster Jerry's Wood Badge Podcast for more info).

Pack Committee meetings:
In my pack, every position meets together generally once a month. If not, we share via email. It's called communication.

If you are the ACM for this coming year (if I get it correctly) then I would push a schedule of events based upon what you did this last year. It's what I did this last year as first time CM. I then took that same schedule, looked at another pack next school over within same district (It's the Cubscout Roundtable Commisioner's Pack) and modeled what we should do off that as well.

A clear plan brings in the parents since they can put it on their iPhone/Blackberry calendars.

This last year, I took about 125% of all the work. This includes getting the OA for Pinewood Derby to run the track and the whole Blue & Gold. BURN OUT!

Do you go to Roundtable's? I would. It helps me network and connect to those I can reach out to find help from.

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

10:52 am
August 2, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

Units that fail have a couple of things in common.

1. Untrained leaders

2. Lack of commitment

That is what I have seen in my years as a leader. We can all pound this til the cows come home, but getting trained, and believing in the program is going to help your unit.

I found that the leaders in my pack are intimidated by me…they are afraid to approach me or even talk to me, not because I am a "know it all"…I just know more than they do…and I know more than they do for a couple of reasons.

1. I attend everything…RT, training sessions, CS College(POW-WOW), and a whole slew of trainings

2. I am 100% trained in everything

3. I read about scouting…a lot.

Now, if they want to, they can do what I do, and become a "know it all" in their own minds. In my mind, I don't see myself as that…I see myself as a resource that all leaders can use.

Making yourself a resource, and not a know-it-all, isn't easy. You have to make yourself approachable and personable, and let the parents see that you genuinely care about their kids and the program. Once that happens, and trust me, it doesn't happen overnight, no matter how much work you put into it, they will follow you because they trust you .

People trust the uniform…do the right things to make them trust the person in that uniform.

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…


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