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6:42 am
August 11, 2010
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Ken
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I am now officially the Pack Trainer for my pack. I don't think they have ever actually had this position filled, so I'm sure I have a lot of work to do. I know the main leaders understand the need for training, but I don't know how hard they've been pushing it.
I have a few things in mind to get started, especially with recruitment coming up.
- Complete Basic Training for myself. CSLS is coming up in the district, but Trainers EDGE isn't scheduled until the spring. I'm hoping to find a course for that sooner.
- Inventory the roster for current training status. Our registrar is going to send me our leaders roster, and I'll use the training validation tool as a starting point.
- Get EVERYONE Youth Protection trained.
- I'm going to take BALOO next month. We have a few other leaders going as well.
- Get to roundtables. This may be difficult, as our Pack Committee meets the same night. I've heard from some other leaders that they want to go as well, so we may be able to get the Committee meetings moved.
Once I get an idea of where everyone is at, I'll work on getting those who need training now into the CSLS course that's coming up. I'll want as many new leaders as possible to go as well, but my first focus on them is to get their Fast Start/This is Scouting and of course YPT completed.
What else would you recommend I do as Pack Trainer to get our training program functional? I expect to be in this position for at least 2-3 years, at least until my son joins, then I'll move to Den Leader (or another top leader position if the "wink-wink, nudge nudge" jokes are not really jokes). So that's the time I have to develop a strong support of training in the pack.
My goal is when I leave to not only have someone to continue as Pack trainer, but also to have all the leaders believing in training so it becomes second nature to get trained and train others.
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12:56 pm
August 12, 2010
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SM Shawn
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I have a couple of things that I used for being the PT in our pack…
I contacted the Registrar of the council and she emailed me a copy of what they have on file. I checked each registered leaders stuff, and made notes of what they had, and what they needed. I contacted each leader, and let them know the results. If there was an online session that needed to be completed, I told them where it was located.
I also made documentation of how to login and do your online training, and how to print off your cards. I then asked that they give me the cards and I would scan them and send them to council to have their records updated. Council and I are in sync, and it's on council to override National, not me.
I keep up to date with all of the council and district training dates, and any other events…BALOO, Cub Scout College/University/POW-WOW, Roundtables…not just from my district, either…
In all, I would say that as PT, it's pretty easy…I was a district trainer and that probably helps.
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8:26 pm
August 12, 2010
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ksweetwood
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We are holding our leader kick-off meeting this upcoming Sunday. The Cubmaster and I are using this time to update everyone's training (especially with the Cub Scout 2010 switch) and work on training new leaders.
I'm a den leader as well as the pack trainer, and I have separate binder for each position. Make sure that your leaders get you a copy of their online certificates or training cards, and keep them in your binder. That way, if something happens (eg: if a leader tries to sign up for Wood Badge and the council says that they don't have their BALOO training done, you can provide them with a copy of the certificate).
Once CSLS training is available online, there is no reason that each and every scout can't have a trained leader. I actually spoke to one of the people from my council today, and they said that CSLS should be up "within a week or so".
Good luck!
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11:56 am
August 13, 2010
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Ken
| | Scranton, PA | |
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Thanks for the information, guys.
I was able to get some information from the Training Validation tool. Fortunately our registrar is pretty good about keeping up on Training Reports, so the records are pretty good, not perfect.
From what I can tell, and what my registrar tells me, any training taken online is recorded directly in ScoutNet, not it's own database that then has to be synced with ScoutNet. Basically that means any training taken online IS immediately available to be seen in ScoutNet.
She told me the same thing about online CSLS, that it should be up in the next week or so. Nothing against her, but I'll believe it when I see it. My district does have CSLS scheduled for October. I just wish there was a Trainers EDGE scheduled sooner.
We're doing BALOO and Webelos Outdoor Leader skills next month, and I'll be attending. Both for personal interest and so I can speak more to the program with other leaders. Plus the more leaders who have it under their belt the better, IMHO.
In the meantime I'm getting stuff organized and getting ready to collect cards. It should be fun(ish). :)
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4:14 pm
August 13, 2010
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ksweetwood
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Well it sounds like you're headed in the right direction.
Have fun and good luck :)
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7:48 am
August 23, 2010
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Ken
| | Scranton, PA | |
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Post edited 11:48 am – August 23, 2010 by Ken
As Pack Trainer, aside from record keeping and encouraging the leaders to take training, what (if any) training can I actually conduct/facilitate for my Pack's leaders?
Our district is holding one CSLS course in October. If we have leaders who can't make it, can I actually do training one on one or small groups as needed?
I'd expect I'd have to complete Trainers EDGE (although I did take training development years ago, and served on district training staff) first, and check with the district training committee beforehand. I was just curious if conducting actual training is part of the Pack Trainer's responsibilities.
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9:41 am
August 23, 2010
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ScouterAdam
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Just a quick note about BALOO in our Council/District.
It seems that we are dropping BALOO for ITOLS for Webelos & ITOLS.
Also, do not know about the CSLS courses yet. Our District should have one with live people. Though they said we could go out of District. My thought is: If a District pushes it's new people to other trainings outside their own District….it stops people coming to Roundtable! It's like Join Night for Cubscouts!
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12:40 pm
August 23, 2010
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SM Shawn
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Ken said:
As Pack Trainer, aside from record keeping and encouraging the leaders to take training, what (if any) training can I actually conduct/facilitate for my Pack's leaders?
Our district is holding one CSLS course in October. If we have leaders who can't make it, can I actually do training one on one or small groups as needed?
I'd expect I'd have to complete Trainers EDGE (although I did take training development years ago, and served on district training staff) first, and check with the district training committee beforehand. I was just curious if conducting actual training is part of the Pack Trainer's responsibilities.
From the sounds of this, it may be a local thing…our district has asked that if you are a Pack Trainer, and can obtain the training materials, they will "sign off" on the leader, as having that portion completed. Is this kosher? Probably not, but it's a starting point, albeit a good one. It's better than online, and if the district trainer signs off on it, then it must be good.
So to answer your question, I would say that although the job description for a Pack Trainer doesn't include doing the actual training, if your district trainer is comfortable enough for you to do it, and sign off, well, then that works for me.
As we all know, I am a stickler for "by the rules" or "as it reads"…but on this, I have varied opinion. Why? I know that I can train my pack's leaders (actually, any pack's), as I have been training leaders for 5 years, on the unit, district and council level.
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1:12 pm
August 23, 2010
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Ken
| | Scranton, PA | |
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Thanks for the info, and it's about what I thought. It sounds like (officially) actual training is not really part of being Pack Trainer, which is unfortunate.
My main focus is making sure training is available to all, not just those who can make a specific date.
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5:26 pm
August 27, 2010
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smwalker_oh
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Ken, you probably can get empowered to give the training and it would be kosher. The Pack Trainer's job description from national's website:
http://www.scouting.org/scouts…..ptrnr.aspx
There's a couple of things there to note. One is in the qualifications, where it says "Pack trainers should be trained at a district or council trainer development conference." And then under responsibilities one of the entries says, "Conducting other training as designated by the district and/or council."
The Trainer Development Conference (TDC) is now the Trainer's EDGE Workshop. But it is also one of the requirements for the Pack Trainer's Knot and to be considered a "trained" Pack Trainer. So you probably want to talk to your District's training chair about getting that training and what it means as far as your ability to give the CSLS training to your unit leaders.
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