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American Heritage Girls and the BSA

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8:43 pm
June 29, 2009


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

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I saw a tweet today, about the joint venture between the BSA and the American Heritage Girls. You can read more about it here. There are some articles out there and the AHG website, along with one of my favs, Wikipedia.

There was a discussion about the Girl Scouts and girls in the BSA, in the old forums. I can't find a link to it, and I don't recall the whole discussion…regardless, my stance doesn't change…no girls in Boy Scouts…Packs and Troops are for boys, Crews and Ships can be co-ed…

What I am getting at, is the AHG may be the tie that binds, practicing outdoor skills and more "boy scout" stuff…the things that the GSUSA doesn't do…

Hopefully, this will get more girls involved, keeping interest higher, and hence, getting more girls into venturing, leading to Boy Scouts staying involved longer. I think that it's a win-win for the AHG and the BSA…thoughts?

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9:36 am
June 30, 2009


smwalker_oh

Middletown, Ohio

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posts 596

Here in Dan Beard Council, we have a very close relationship with AHG.  AHG national HQ is in West Chester Ohio (a suburb right between my town of Middletown and Cincinnati).  Each year our Scouting for Food program is done in conjunction with AHG and our Cub Scout themed camp, Cub Adventure World, is turned over to AHG for one week each summer so the girls can do resident camp as well.  I don't know a ton of specifics on the program itself, but I know that they formed as a breakaway group in 1995 when some girl scout leaders in what is now the Girl Scouts of Western Ohio Council (formerly Buckeye Trails I think) complained in a council-wide leaders meeting about the trend to push the reverence side of things out of the GS program.  The lady in charge at the time, I'm told, basically said, "If you don't like it, go start your own group."  So they did.

My daughter is a GS but to be perfectly honest my wife and I aren't thrilled with the program itself.  I think a lot of that has to do with not really finding a troop that has clicked well.  She's likely going to be a Juliette this coming school yaer.

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9:55 am
June 30, 2009


Cubmaster Chris

Cedar Park, Texas

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Shawn/Steve-

Sorry about moving the post and breaking it in 2. That was my fault and I can't change it back.

10:35 am
June 30, 2009


Scouter_Garry

SATX

PTC Boy Scout

posts 106

I think that  the Memorandum will be a positive thing  for both the BSA and AHG if it is well promoted.  

I feel that it is unfortunate that the AHG is an unaligned  scouting group.  Most scouting organizations are aligned  with either the World Order of the Scouting Movement (WOSM) as the BSA are or the World Association of Girl Guides and Girl Scouts (WAGGGS) as the Girl Scouts of the USA(GSUSA) are alligned. Looking at both world organizations  on wikipedia, has shown that two  groups  of scouting can exist in one country and be alligned with either group. or there is one scouting organization in the country and  is alligned with one of the world organizations.

Both World organizations are recognized  by the United Nations, but the WOSM is recognized as representing scouting to the UN. 

Beyond  the GSUSA placing an asterisk  on God and reverence, there are  organizational  differences as compared to a pack or troop. There appear to be further underlying differences between the WOSM and WAGGGS that have greatly varied the programs. I have seen references that the WOSM thought these differences were important enough to  write a document outlining the  differences.  The document has been removed from the WOSM website  and I am unable to find a copy of it. 

What I am about to say is purely speculation on my part.  There are both a desire  from parents frustrated  with the GSUSA, and resistance from  those that want boys to have their own activity where they learn to be men and not androgenous. It is currently no secret that the BSA runs two faces to  pursue it's goal of character education in America's youth. Those faces would be Learning for Life and the BSA.  What if  this memorandum betwen the BSA and the AHG  was but a first step to  placing the  full  power of the BSA behind a Girl's organization that  follows the  goals of the BSA  and tenets of scouting outlined by the WOSM?  Right now the AHG  has the issue that it is not well known, It is not available in many locations.  The AHG doesn't appear to have a solid national  organization that can support more the  the Ohio valley area.  By becoming part of the BSA, It could have all the benifitsof the BSA we enjoy without interrupting the BSA program. It would boost the sagging  membership of the BSA. It would then be aligned  with the WOSM.   A downside would be  it would place the BSA/WOSM in competition with GSUSA/WAGGGS.  Is either group ready for that? I can see that it could further poloarize people  to  the right or left, conservative vs liberal.

But I can see the AHG as part of the BSA, being positive for the BSA, and positive for our youth. Nor do I see a formalized relationship like this memorandum between the BSA and GSUSA.


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