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9:31 am
July 16, 2009
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Cubmaster Chris
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What "rule" in your unit, Council, etc. is not really a rule? I spoke on AHAW #187 about the "once trained, always trained" lie that gets spread around.
So, put up your best ones and try to offer proof of where it goes wrong (G2SS, etc.)
Thanks!
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11:30 am
July 16, 2009
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smwalker_oh
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One I like to bring up for Urban Legends that isn't about a rule but more just a statement that gets thrown around a lot at recruitment time is "Every footprint on the moon was made by an Eagle Scout."
Sounds pretty wicked cool, right? Unfortunately, it is not correct, though the truth is still pretty cool. I did some research on this a year or three ago and found that of the 12 people who have walked on the moon, 11 were Scouts at some point, though not all made Eagle. The first and last are Distinguished Eagle Scouts.
Neil Armstrong – Distinguished Eagle Scout / Silver Buffalo
Buzz Aldrin – Tenderfoot
Pete Conrad – Cub Scout (no data available for highest rank achieved)
Alan Bean – First Class
Alan Shepard – First Class
Edgar Mitchell – Life
David Scott – Life
James Irwin – Not a Scout
John W. Young – Second Class
Charles Duke – Distinguished Eagle Scout
Eugene Cernan – Second Class
Harrison Schmitt – Tenderfoot
While the reality isn't as neat as "Every footprint on the moon was made by an Eagle Scout," to be able to say "Only 12 men in the history of all mankind have set foot on the surface of astronomical object other than the Earth, and 11 of them were Scouts." I think it is actually a better recruitment tool in its trutful form. While saying all the astronauts who walked on the moon were Eagles is a great motivator internally, the fact that the Scouting program as a whole, and not just it's apex, helps build the qualities that these great men displayed will help get the new people into the program.
Another somewhat related factoid is that Jim Lovell, the commander of the Apollo 13 mission, is also a Distinguished Eagle Scout.
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11:33 am
July 16, 2009
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smwalker_oh
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Also, it occurred to me that we covered this before a couple of years ago, so I did some digging and found:
http://www.ramstedtonline.com/…..q=node/151
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PT – Pack 19 Middletown
CR/CC – Pack, Troop & Crew 801 Middletown
MC, Packs 321, 418 & 468, Middletown
Hopewell District Cub Roundtable Commissioner
Hopewell 2011 Fall Recruitment Coordinator – Middletown
Dan Beard Council Certified Trainer
GSWO NOVA #449 Service Unit Camping Coordinator
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11:47 am
July 16, 2009
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Scouter Jeff
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One of the scouting urban legends I hear a lot is that Cub's can only camp one night. I assume this is based on the GSS where it talks about overnight campouts, specifically the section on camping:
http://www.scouting.org/scouts…..gss03.aspx
Unless there's a specific council rule I'm not aware of, Cubs can camp for more than one night. Why would anyone lug so much dutch oven gear for only one night of camping?
(I know we've covered this topic somewhere in the PTC universe, but I couldn't find the link)
Tigers, Wolfs, and Bears cannot camp as a den – they need to camp with the pack. Webelos dens can and should camp as a den.
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Assistant Scoutmaster, District Trainer
http://thetrainerscorner.wordpress.com/
Twitter: Scouter Jeff
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4:07 pm
July 16, 2009
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Nick the UK GSL
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SMWalker said:
The first and last are Distinguished Eagle Scouts.
Neil Armstrong – Distinguished Eagle Scout / Silver Buffalo
Charles Duke – Distinguished Eagle Scout
Quite a poignant time to mention this one as it's 40 years to the day since Apollo 11 launched!
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5:16 am
July 17, 2009
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sebastian
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Cubmaster Chris said:
What “rule” in your unit, Council, etc. is not really a rule? I spoke on AHAW #187 about the “once trained, always trained” lie that gets spread around.
So, put up your best ones and try to offer proof of where it goes wrong (G2SS, etc.)
Thanks!
When I took Baloo, the trainer insisted that in order to take cub scouts swimming, you had to have two BSA trained lifeguards, no matter what. In fact, he took several opportunities to discourage us from doing swimming with cub scouts at all.
According to G2SS, you need an adult (over 21) who is trained in and committed to BSA's Safe Swim Defense.
BSA lifeguards are encouraged for planning and supervision.
IF a lifeguard is not provided by the location, two capable swimmers should be appointed as lifeguards and equipped with safety and rescue equipment.
A lookout should be stationed.
Buddy system and ability groupings should be used.
So on one hand you don't actually have to have BSA certified lifeguards at every swim event. On the other it is far more than just having lifeguards.
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5:19 am
July 17, 2009
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sebastian
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Cubmaster Chris said:
What “rule” in your unit, Council, etc. is not really a rule? I spoke on AHAW #187 about the “once trained, always trained” lie that gets spread around.
So, put up your best ones and try to offer proof of where it goes wrong (G2SS, etc.)
Thanks!
The other one I wanted to mention is about leadership positions. Some troops want to impose qualifications on elected leadership positions that are not in the BSA handbook. Rank, time in unit, participation at meetings and/or outings.
I think that there needs to be more feedback when a scout isn't doing his job. But that doesn't make it the adults duty to choose who will be the patrol/troop leaders.
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12:09 pm
July 17, 2009
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Post edited 4:10 pm – July 17, 2009 by krisleeb
One of my favorite “unproven” cub facts is the cold weather requirments. Living in the snow belt of NY we have to worry about cold temps in the winter but no where in any of the guidelines does it lay down a specific temperature that can cancel an outting. It makes sense because what we here in CNY think is chilly is down right Arctic to those in TX and the same with warm temps. Rules reguarding temperature NEED to be local in nature but for the most part need to be left to common sense.
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1:57 pm
July 19, 2009
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scoutmasterjerry
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OK.. Camping urban legend.
"Patrols can not camp on their own"
This Scouting Urban legend has to parts. 1. That a Patrol can not camp on its own, and 2. That Adults need not be there.
Here is the truth.
1. Patrols can camp on their own.
2. Patrols can camp on their own without Adults.
From the G2SS "There are a few instances, such as patrol activities, when no adult leadership is required." and "All Scouts registered in Boy Scout troops are eligible to participate in troop or patrol overnight campouts, camporees, and resident camps."
Have a Great Scouting Day!
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9:53 pm
July 19, 2009
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MISS Liberty
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Jerry stole mine! Our own Scoutmaster told my son when he was patrol leader that he wasn't allowed to do a patrol only campout. … Uh!? I realize that a patrol outing needs to be cleared with the Scoutmaster, but completely outlawed? Mmnyeah, no.
An Urban Legend that almost always gets tricky is the Two-Deep Leadership requirements. I do believe this topic came up in the old forums, too, but I'm too lazy to find it. Essentially, two deep leadership is required for trips and outings, but den, troop and pack meetings don't necessarily require two adults so long as there is no one-on-one contact. (But can you imagine a pack meeting with one adult!? Even in a small pack!? Yoinks!)
When I first joined as a leader, our Cubmaster told me that I had to have FOUR adult leaders (two den leaders plus two assistants) because there were ten boys in the den. She absolutely insisted that we couldn't have a den because there HAD to be a 2:5 parent to scout ratio at all scout activities. Where in the world she pulled that one from, I have no idea because it's not in any rules anywhere that I've ever seen. In the end, I quite effectively ran the den with only one assistant.
Shortly after signing up to be a merit badge counselor, I was told that all merit badge counselors had to be in pairs. For example, there had to be two Communication merit badge counsilors, two Family Life counselors, etc. and those two had to work together because of "two deep leadership". As this came from someone NOT officially in scouting, I checked further into this and quickly learned that, no, there is no need for two-deep leadership – only the "No one on one contact" rule applied.
Aaah and that's another good urban legend: You can not be the merit badge counselor for your own son. WRONG! I was advised that in order to legitimize the work your son does he should work with a buddy (essentially, no one-on-one even with your own son) but yes, parents can be merit badge counselors to their own son.
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1:56 pm
July 22, 2009
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Scouter_Garry
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I'm submitting this as an Urban Legend.
To earn the Pack Summertime Award 50% of the pack must participate in in 3 events.
- The only requirement for the pack is to plan and conduct 3 summertime events one in each month June, July, and August.
Only Boys that attend 3 summertime pack events can recieve the pin.
The Den requirements are often confused with the Pack requirement. You must have 50% of a den attend 3 events to recieve the Den Summertime Award.
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10:08 pm
July 22, 2009
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ArvadaScout
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Haven't we missed the most obvious urban legend… "It's only an hour a week". 
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6:22 pm
September 18, 2009
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Scouter Jeff
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Here's another urban legend that showed up briefly on today's ScoutingRadio.com show. The legend is that only Bears and Webelos can earn their Whittling Chip and carry a knife. Per the G2SS's "Age Appropriate Guidelines", Wolfs can earn their whittling chip and carry a knife as well:
http://www.scouting.org/filest…..guides.pdf (see the section under "Tools")
http://meritbadge.org/wiki/ind…..tling_Chip
I believe we think of Bears as the first year to earn it because the requirements for the Whittling Chip is in the Bear handbook. I have heard of some packs having a "No Chip Until Bear" policy, and that's not in line with National's guidelines. Honestly, with my two dens, I waited until the Bear year to go over this because I felt that as Wolfs they were too young. But that's just my opinion and my choice as a leader, but not National's policy.
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http://thetrainerscorner.wordpress.com/
Twitter: Scouter Jeff
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