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Webelos to Scout Transitioning

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10:00 am
December 17, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

Admin

posts 492

In an effort to "bridge the gap" between Boy Scouts and Cub Scouts, I am going to start doing a Webelos to Scout segment on the show. I was wondering if there are any thoughts or ideas or comments that anyone would like to hear…I am open for suggestions, thanks

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

12:39 am
December 18, 2010


ScouterAdam

Portland, OR

PTC Webelos

posts 86

As a Cubmaster without Troop experince as a Scout, it would be good to have a basic understanding of the process of Webelos to Scouts is and when it starts.  This would help parents who know nothing as well.

My Troop Guide in Wood Badge asked me during the course when our Crossover was.  I explained that the Webelos get the AOL presented to them and then the Troop gets them after the OA has their ceremony.  That is when my TG stopped and asked "Why, do the boys get the Highest Cubscout Rank/Award and then immediately move to a Troop and become the lowest rank.  They should spend time being at the Top."  

That has puzzeled me since.  My son is currently a Bear cub.  I want to make sure that he go to a Troop and fits him.  I also would like to NOT rush out of the Pack soon after getting the AOL.  Maybe stay for a month or so and relish being at the top of Cub scouts.

My other question is when to have the "Your son is now a Webelos talk" with the parents.  Meaning, they are not cute Tigers anymore.  There is now a countdown to Scouts in 20 months and it does not take a break during the summer as the other dens do.  These Webelos are now working on Pins, that if they want to earn all 20, have a long road to go.  It's not the trail of earning the Eagle Rank, but it's dang close.

Webelos really changes up the program.  Camping in non-summer camps times, weekends with Boy Scouts and getting more independant.  Webelos I & II start not having parents around on campouts (hopefully) and Boy Scouts is not Webelos III.  The parents need to know and understand this once the boys crossover from Bears.

The other aspect is are the Bear Den Leaders ready to be Webelos Den Leaders.  It's not all leaf rubbings and Go-See-Its anymore.  It really is a two to three den meeting a month plus Pack meeting commitment.  If the Den Leaders are not pre-pared for Webelos, it's going to be tough.

As a Cubmaster who will transistion out when my son crosses over, I feel the need to prepare my Bear Den Leaders and Parents.  Not worried yet about Wolves.  It is almost my intention to step down as Cubmaster at the end of next year (total of three years) and take over as Webelos Den Leader since the current WDL is not wanting to go camping and do boy stuff.  It's not her thing.  There is an Ast BDL that will continue, so I might just co-lead with him. The other will still be involed, but not camping.

I do have a Tiger Den Leader who is very interested in being Ast Cubmaster, so, I would have him trained up and ready to go when I leave.  I would also be there for the next year as needed.

 

Hope all this helps to guide you….

Cubmaster Pack 221 Portland, OR WE1-492-09 Beaver Patrol, Staff WE1-492011, Blog:http://scouteradam.wordpress.com/

1:52 pm
December 18, 2010


SM Shawn

Green Bay, WI

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posts 492

It does, and I will be using it for upcoming shows, on both of them…

Host of the True North Podcast
Co-Host of Scout Nation
Scoutmaster
Dad and Husband…

2:18 pm
December 18, 2010


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

While I know Shawn wants to use this on a show I will chime in on one thing to help you out…

The "Your son is a Webelos now" talk should happen the day he becomes a Webelos.

we do the Your son is a Boy Scout now talk at the very first meeting with the new Scouts and Parents. We then have the Troop Guides and SPL pull the new Scouts out of the meeting to join in the Troop activities and keep mom and dad behind…immediate separation, and we go over what their role can be in the Troop…

But we can get into THAT talk on a later show :)

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

11:12 pm
January 1, 2011


AmyS

Tucson, AZ

PTC Bear

posts 52

Our den went from six boys to 2 within a couple months of starting Webelos. Those 2 have hung in there, though, and I'm proud of them.

That said our district offers very little in the way of Webelos transition. We've visited one troop and are planning to visit another next week but there doesn't seem to be a lot of guidance for the boys or the parents as far as how to decide what troop to join–or even how to contact the troops in the district. The only opportunity we have is the Webelos-ree and it was a complete scheduling conflict for our den this year, so I've been poking our UC and our brand new DE to get contacts.  Honestly? It shouldn't be this difficult. No wonder the ball gets dropped, no one seems to want to help us pass it.

So, yes, any suggestions on easing the process (from the pack side, troop side, district side) would be appreciated.

1:08 pm
January 20, 2011


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

Amy,

I dont see it as the district's job to tell you which Troop to join.  That is up to each individual Scout and his parents.  You should be provided with a contact list of local Troops at least.  If not, your Webelos Leaders/Cubmaster should be at Roundtable collecting that information.  Then it is up to you to contact the Troops and set up some meetings.  Some units feel that the Webelos will come to them and never recruit…others play full court press and will have already contacted you as they go from Webelos I to Webelos II…

 

In our District we get a Webelos II list from our DE (every Webelos II in our District w/contact info) and we contact them and let them know we have several special Webelos Info nights and Campouts they can attend to check out our Troop.  That being said we do get many Webelos inquires from our website…do a search for Boy Scout Troops, Fishers, IN and you will find just about all the Troops in our town.  Generally those are from parents like yourself who get no support from the home pack…or just did thier own research…

 

Good Luck!

 

YIS
Bryan

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

2:26 pm
January 20, 2011


Scouter Doug

Kenilworth, NJ

PTC Webelos

posts 91

For our Troop we invite the Scouts to attend at least one or two campouts with the Troop. During that campout we try to expose them to "the Boy Scout way" of doing things (aka parents pull up a chair, the BOYS can do it.) My last year in the Pack I was both Cubmaster and Webelos II Den Leader. As such I tried to get the boys involved more on Patrol activities beyond the Pack's activities for all Scouts. This was a challenge because at the time we also had only 2 Webelos II. In my opinion the weight of the responsibility is on the Webelos Den Leader to start guiding this transition in the Scouts but without proper training he/she is not going to know that. I think it's also up to the Scoutmasters of the local Troops to reach out to the Webelos Den Leaders to invite the Scouts to their meetings, campouts, etc. We're a one Pack, one Troop town so there is sort of a "feeder" relationship but we try not to abuse this by assuming the Cubs will join our Troop – we recruit them, let them know they have a choice and do our best to make them feel welcome. As a new Scoutmaster, going forward I'm hoping to be able to make contact with Pack's outside of our own town as well but that hasn't happened YET.

Doug Metz – Scoutmaster – Troop 83 – Kenilworth, NJ http://scoutersjourney.wordpress.com – twitter: dwmetz

10:25 pm
January 26, 2011


AmyS

Tucson, AZ

PTC Bear

posts 52

Bryan, I don't think it's the district's job to tell me which troop to join.  I do think it's at least partially the district's job to be able to readily provide contact information for local troops. It took me nearly 2 months of bugging our UC, district committee, and calling the council office to get good contact info for ANY troops in the district. [Our Webelos II leader from last year moved to Hawai'i, and didn't leave us a good trail of breadcrumbs to follow.]

 

It would also be nice if there was some kind of criteria out there for what to look for in a troop. Many of our cubbing families have had zero contact with boy scouting, so they pick a troop based on meeting times, distance from the house, and whether they're going to have to continue to sell popcorn or not. We've had families surprised with things like:

the cost of dues

the expectations and cost for summer camp (we have a camp an hour away from us but many troops go elsewhere, like Camp Geronimo, or even out of state)

expectations for what equipment and uniforms the scouts will need

how the patrols are organized (some parents don't want their 11YO in a patrol with a bunch of 14YO's?)

how much emphasis the troop puts on what kinds of service projects. Do they do mostly outdoor stuff? mostly work with their CO or with someone like the Elks? mostly dust knick knacks at the scout museum?

what level of planning the troop does–is it a year in advance for trips? or two years? a few months in advance? a week in advance?

Thing like this would be good to know, right? I'm sure there's a lot of stuff we're missing that can make a difference in whether that troop is a good fit for the scout and his family. But, our district really doesn't support the process at all that I can see, from either side. The troops we visited weren't really forthcoming if we didn't ask the scoutmaster (and in one case the committe chair) a bazillion questions. If I hadn't contacted any troops for my den, there's *one* troop who tried to email our committee chair in late November. Too bad he had the info for last year's committee chair and we didn't get the message for weeks.

 

[Speaking of roundtable, tho, our district changed roundtables from Tuesday nights to Thursdays last year. Our pack and den meetings are always on Tuesday, so I haven't been to a roundtable since then. There are half a dozen packs at our end of the district with the same problem. I guess the committee will have to decide when doing schedules for next year if they care or not--but it's a tough sell. The only time we see anyone from district now that our last UC quit is for FOS, and they didnt even do that last year.]

8:20 am
January 27, 2011


bryanspellman

Fishers, IN

Admin

posts 97

Amy,

all GREAT questions to ask! The fact that the Troops do not provide the answers might answer your question of whether or not it's the Troop for you :)

A well organized Troop will have that information for you, if not here are some questions we provide answers for:

- annual plan: each parent gets the annual calendar which has the dates for campouts, courts of honor, regular service for 12 months

- we meet every Tuesday, attendance is expected but not required (same with campouts)

- dues structure / fundraiser opportunities (including popcorn) / average campout fees

- uniform

- Troop structure and leadership

- i could go on as the adult meeting is about 40-60 minutes

We separate the scouts from parents and tell the Scouts about the Troop from their perspective. we have info sheets we had out and links to the website we keep updated.

I can understand your frustrations. From the Troop's view we go after you…and provide you all the information you need to help you make the choice. Maybe we do it differently and that might speak to the recent numbers we have (20 in 2009, 35 in 2010 and est 30+ in 2011)…

Contact me at scoutmaster@troop199.org and I can email you our information we give our Webelos. Could help you ask the right questions of the Troops in your area. Then go to Roundtable and talk at the Boy Scout Roundtable and explain your frustrations, could help spark them into action!

Lastly, I would ask you let the Webelos have a say…I know in today's times that car pooling and convenience of location is forefront in the parents mind…but you should find a place that the SCOUT wants to be at, it might not be the one all his Den mates are going to, it might be an extra 20 minutes for driving but it will lead to the Scout's success if he is comfortable and where HE wants to be :)

Good luck!
Bryan

Father of an Eagle Scout : Scoutmaster, Troop 199 Fishers, IN : Eagle Scout Class of '88 : Co-Host of Scout Nation : Twitter @bryanspellman : http://www.troop199.org

11:54 pm
February 10, 2011


AmyS

Tucson, AZ

PTC Bear

posts 52

Well, I think we've settled on a troop for the boys. I personally liked another troop a little better, but this one was a strong second. My son liked them both, but he wants to stick with his friend from the pack who's going to this one so that was the deciding factor.

We're doing our B&G / AoL this weekend but not crossing over until after the March pack meeting–the boys still have a couple of activity badges left to receive and we are thinking of doing the crossover at our pack's spring campout. We usually pick somewhere about an hour away so hopefully we can get some of the boy scouts to come out at least for the ceremony.

Once we're done with den meeting conflicts I might go to roundtable and put in my $0.02. I'm always a bit leery of talking myself into a new assignment, though. My husband may not be pleased with this plan, I think he's looking forward to getting Tuesdays back! [and the Sunday and Monday planning sessions. and the pack committee meeting evenings. and..]


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